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Will The Supreme Court Protect Hobby Lobby From the HHS Mandate? (Ruling this week..Your Prediction)
Life News ^ | 6/17/14 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 06/23/2014 5:11:27 AM PDT by xzins

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To: xzins

What business does ANY gubmint (including the religion of Islam) have to mandate ANYONE when to use contraceptives of any kind?


21 posted on 06/23/2014 6:34:27 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: xzins
There was a theory floating around on the SCOTUS watching websites last week that Scalia unintentionally telegraphed the decision in the Hobby Lobby case when released a statement disagreeing with the courts decision not to hear another religious freedom case next term. In his statement he said (paraphrasing) "It makes no sense not to hear (the new) case since the court has expanded religious freedom in the cases before us this term."

The theory was since the only religious freedom cases before the court this term was "Hobby Lobby" and the already decided case that expanded the right to prayer at public meetings, that Scalia would not not have said "case(S) that expand religious freedom" if Hobby Lobby hadn't already been decided on those grounds....

22 posted on 06/23/2014 6:39:54 AM PDT by apillar
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To: jacknhoo

I tend to agree...Courts have already declared its more important to force you bake a cake than to have religious objections to doing so.


23 posted on 06/23/2014 6:50:48 AM PDT by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: xzins

My prediction is that until the $1 TRILLION HHS is nuked, we’re constantly in jeopardy. It’s not about just winning this skirmish. It’s about winning the war by dismantling these huge, bloated, threatening, unconstitutional bureaucracies.


24 posted on 06/23/2014 6:58:13 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: xzins

Of late the Supreme Court decision is based on the highest bidder it’s how we received ObamaCare.


25 posted on 06/23/2014 7:06:41 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Iron Munro; xzins

Unhappily, I agree that Roberts will cave. He views his job as finding a compromise rather than looking at the issue and seeing it as the Constitution says (or not).

At best, I think it will be 5-4 that the regulation goes too far, but it will be on some basis that allows the government to continue to apply the regulation to other businesses. Every business will be forced to spend millions in legal fees to fight its individual status...


26 posted on 06/23/2014 7:12:58 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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To: DoodleDawg

I’m afraid this will be the first step in dismantling the First Amendment. They MUST do that to force the homosexual agenda. If any business has a right to take actions based on the religious beliefs of the owners - even if it is a one person business - then forcing everyone to bow down to homosexuals won’t stand.

My guess is that the homosexual lobby will get the results it wants from the usual suspects - the ones who keep finding a Constitutional right to homosexuality.


27 posted on 06/23/2014 7:16:33 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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To: xzins

Because corporations are legal entities, the fascist/socialist/statists will ultimately determine that all corporations are owned by the state and thus subject to it’s every edict.


28 posted on 06/23/2014 7:29:55 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: apillar

Good information. Thanks, apillar.


29 posted on 06/23/2014 7:35:45 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Mr Rogers

The court can rule against the contraception mandate since it’s only a regulation, and since so many exceptions have been granted. That would be in Hobby Lobby’s favor, but it would also enable them to continue preventing bakers from denying cakes to homosexual weddings. It would be based on an invalid burden without an overriding reason not to also grant an exception in this case to health care.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 7:42:30 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

From a different ruling, made today:

“In what was a relatively narrow case concerning a challenge by industry groups and Republican-leaning states the court, divided in several different ways, held that a small proportion of industrial facilities are exempted from the single regulation in question. Most major facilities, including power plants and refineries, will still be covered.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3171207/posts

My guess is they do the same to Hobby Lobby.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 7:43:36 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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They MUST do that to force the homosexual agenda.

I thought this was about birth control? Somehow I don't see that as part of the homosexual agenda.

32 posted on 06/23/2014 7:53:51 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Portcall24

But a corporation is recognized as a legal entity. Arguing that the 1st Amendment only applies to people is silly. The 1st Amendment like most contained within the Bill of Rights, doesn’t actually give any rights; it is a restriction on the government. The genius of the Founding Fathers at work.

If the SC rules in favor of Hobby Lobby, and I’m not too optimistic that will happen. It opens up the argument for the baker who doesn’t want his business to make gay wedding cakes and other possibilities. Again, not optimistic that this will occur. But even a broken clock is occasionally right.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 7:55:22 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is like the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: DoodleDawg

The birth control argument is rooted in religious freedom, as is the argument that a baker should not be required to bake cakes celebrating something he believes is evil. If they support religious freedom here, it will be harder to deny religious freedom to those who object to homosexuality.

Either we are or are not free to act in public based on our religious beliefs, and so are the businesses that we form and own. You cannot logically be free to have a religious objection to abortion, but not a religious objection to homosexuality.


34 posted on 06/23/2014 7:57:35 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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To: xzins

Against Hobby Lobby. Roberts will fold again.


35 posted on 06/23/2014 8:08:14 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11))
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To: Mr Rogers

I agree, Mr Rogers. Thanks.


36 posted on 06/23/2014 8:12:39 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Kennedy has gone off his rocker, and he is now “caucusing” with the radical Left. I think he will formally invalidate the 1st Amendment with this case.


37 posted on 06/23/2014 8:13:27 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Mr Rogers
Either we are or are not free to act in public based on our religious beliefs, and so are the businesses that we form and own. You cannot logically be free to have a religious objection to abortion, but not a religious objection to homosexuality.

That's why it will be narrowly decided on the basis of exemptions to regulation granted others under ObamaCare. That way it won't apply to the baker/cake issue.

38 posted on 06/23/2014 8:14:39 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: fwdude

Kennedy was pro-religious tolerance in the prayer case, so I hold out hope for him.


39 posted on 06/23/2014 8:15:40 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

The USSC will dodge the issue by finding some way to deny them standing.


40 posted on 06/23/2014 8:29:11 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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