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BREAKING: Germany: Lear Jet Crashed after Collision with Eurofighter
nsnbc ^ | 6/23 | nsnbc

Posted on 06/23/2014 8:05:34 AM PDT by RummyChick

A spokesperson for police in the district of Hochsauerlandkreis in the German Federal State of Nordrhein Westfalen, reported the accident.

The German armed forces and a spokesperson for the German Air Force confirmed for the magazine Spiegel Online.de and the daily Bild, that the military plane was a German Air Force Eurofighter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nsnbc.me ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: europe; fighterjet; germany; planecrash; soros; sorosrumor
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This is an interesting story. It is the genesis of the George Soros rumor. But even if that rumor isn't true....it would be interesting to know if that plane was forced down.
1 posted on 06/23/2014 8:05:34 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.welt.de%2Fvermischtes%2Farticle129384887%2FAbsturz-bei-Uebung-mit-Eurofighter-im-Sauerland.html&edit-text=

It sounds like there were two fighters involved in a supposed exercise and a corporate lear jet goes down.

How does that happen.............


2 posted on 06/23/2014 8:11:24 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

bttt


3 posted on 06/23/2014 8:11:43 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: RummyChick



4 posted on 06/23/2014 8:14:43 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

the George Soros rumor?............


5 posted on 06/23/2014 8:15:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 2,735 threads and 84,728 replies, as of 06-20-2014)
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To: RummyChick

Soros?


6 posted on 06/23/2014 8:18:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Red Badger

The rumor is going around by some financial people that Soros was on that plane Just a rumor. Not in any media report.

Here is more on the story

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/military-plane-civilian-jet-collide-over-germany/2014/06/23/8a54de18-fae5-11e3-9f27-09f20b8bfd1a_story.html


7 posted on 06/23/2014 8:18:24 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Red Badger

Yeah—my thought too. But where did that rumor come from?


8 posted on 06/23/2014 8:18:57 AM PDT by milagro (There is no peace in appeasement!)
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To: RummyChick

So you have to fighter jets in the area supposedly doing training and a lear jet supposedly chartered by the German military goes down.

Sounds strange


9 posted on 06/23/2014 8:20:52 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: milagro

There is a guy on Twitter who is hooked into the financial world..especially Russia.

It appears the rumor on twitter started from him but not sure.

https://twitter.com/JF991


10 posted on 06/23/2014 8:22:59 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

“So you have to fighter jets in the area supposedly doing training and a lear jet supposedly chartered by the German military goes down.”

Maybe they were practicing intercepts on a dissimilar aircraft (smaller and slower) and they had an “oopsie,” or whatever that is in Hun-speak.


11 posted on 06/23/2014 8:25:21 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: RummyChick

some one’s flight plan wasn’t checked against notams or anything else.....


12 posted on 06/23/2014 8:26:47 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: RummyChick

Great so now rumors get thrown around.....come on folks let’s at least not try and out Alex Alex


13 posted on 06/23/2014 8:27:52 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: PLMerite

It could be...but they would already know it was part of the exercise.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out.


14 posted on 06/23/2014 8:28:27 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

that really isn’t anything more than the first story.


15 posted on 06/23/2014 8:28:57 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I have no problem with stating a rumor is a rumor. That is exactly what it is..and anyone trading the market should be well aware that rumor is going around right now.

You never know what will cause a flash crash.


16 posted on 06/23/2014 8:30:01 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nifster

It’s in English and not subject to mistranslation by a Google Translator for pete’s sake.

Stop crapping on this thread.


17 posted on 06/23/2014 8:31:07 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nifster

Relax.


18 posted on 06/23/2014 8:33:18 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: PLMerite

Around the world, there are various contractors who provide electronic warfare training for military units, using specially-configured business jets. L-3 Communications is just one of several who offer this service:

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/lease-and-learn-l-3s-ew-training-aircraft-05378/

Not saying this was the case in Germany; the skies over Europe are extremely crowded, and this might have been an incident where the Lear stumbled into military airspace, or the Eurofighter got outside its MOA.

Limited flight space is one reason the Luftwaffe has spent millions on flight training in the U.S. They’ve had a presence at Holloman AFB, New Mexico for decades.


19 posted on 06/23/2014 8:35:28 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: ExNewsExSpook
Here is a tweet that might follow along with what you are saying:

Wiseman ‏@wisemanswisdoms 49m Eurofighter mid-air collision was with a GFD target/training Learjet. Tragic http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article129384887/Absturz-bei-Uebung-mit-Eurofighter-im-Sauerland.html …
20 posted on 06/23/2014 8:37:03 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
All reports I've read so far are saying there were only two people onboard the Lear.

Some of the smaller light jets are approved for single pilot operations, but not all are.

Not sure which model Lear it was, but am wondering if it required a pilot and co-pilot.

Does Soros fly or ride in the back?

21 posted on 06/23/2014 8:37:29 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: RummyChick; LucyT; null and void

Thanks RC. Interesting thread.


22 posted on 06/23/2014 8:37:32 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Updated info indicates the Lear jet was providing some sort of training for the Luftwaffe. Might have been towing a gunnery sleeve; during EW training, jets typically don’t get close enough for a mid-air.


23 posted on 06/23/2014 8:38:52 AM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: RummyChick

Offing Soros would be a public service to most of the world.


24 posted on 06/23/2014 8:40:43 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RummyChick

Soros probably started the rumor himself, hoping for a flash crash to scoop up his own stocks on the cheap.


25 posted on 06/23/2014 8:41:36 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: RummyChick

WE SHOULD BE SO LUCKY!


26 posted on 06/23/2014 8:42:24 AM PDT by angcat
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To: Valpal1

I agree. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

James Farro is not just some random anonymous guy on Twitter starting a rumor.

The seeds of that rumor came from somewhere.


27 posted on 06/23/2014 8:44:09 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Valpal1

Btw, there is some big deal going on right now with a Spanish Billionairess (or maybe former Billionairess) and Soros trying to buy her debt.

Someone involved with that could have tried to start something. You never know what people are up to...


28 posted on 06/23/2014 8:47:15 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
"The seeds of that rumor came from somewhere."

see my private mail to you

29 posted on 06/23/2014 8:49:40 AM PDT by amom
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To: RummyChick
The rumor is going around by some financial people that Soros was on that plane Just a rumor. Not in any media report.

If there were only two on board then it was pilot and co-pilot. Soros would have made 3 at the least. And I'm sure the guy never travels without a bunch of flunkies.

30 posted on 06/23/2014 8:52:48 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RummyChick

IF the rumor was that O had died then I agree that can easily tank a market ( or maybe make it boom). It happened the day reagan was shot and the first rumors were that he was dead.... Soros wouldn’t have any bigger effect on the market than hearing that Jobs died


31 posted on 06/23/2014 8:53:00 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: RummyChick

oh breathe a little. saying something doesn’t add anything (when it clearly didn’t) is an observation. It is not hostile nor condemning.

And how can I dump on a thread that starts of with Soros rumors?


32 posted on 06/23/2014 8:54:39 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

You are wrong. It depends on what you are trading.

Btw, it doesn’t take someone’s death to cause a flash crash in a particular market.

All it takes is a rumor.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 8:55:25 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: McGruff

I am relaxed..... Soros rumors are right up there with chem trail stories


34 posted on 06/23/2014 8:55:45 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I think I read somewhere that Soros flies in a Falcon...


35 posted on 06/23/2014 8:57:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: RummyChick
Can you imagine the flak you'd be taking if you never said anything, if it turns out to be Soros and you said, ‘yeah, I heard a rumor about that around 11:30 this morning.’ LOL
36 posted on 06/23/2014 8:59:25 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: liberalh8ter

HAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Anything can cause a flash crash.

It just depends on what you are trading and the mood of the traders at the time.


37 posted on 06/23/2014 9:01:40 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Btw, I watched a stock do a mini crash when some clown on twitter made a joke about the CEO.

The response was almost immediate...and it shows the power of twitter.


38 posted on 06/23/2014 9:04:57 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick
Apparently, this rumor on Soros is pretty prevalent somewhere...

local media has denied it James Farro ‏@JF991 3m @AmberGirl3 @jodster36 Local German news saying it is not Soros
39 posted on 06/23/2014 9:07:15 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Shot across the bow?


40 posted on 06/23/2014 9:11:00 AM PDT by Suz in AZ
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To: RummyChick

Very nice work here.


41 posted on 06/23/2014 9:16:35 AM PDT by amom
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To: amom

Is a few posts on Twitter enough to cause local news media to make sure they say Soros was not on board?

I don’t think so. It must have been a pretty big rumor somewhere.

I can’t imagine just Soros and his assistant on a plane unless they were trying to go somewhere in Stealth Mode.

It’s plausible that all people involved were part of the military training exercise.


42 posted on 06/23/2014 9:21:19 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

here is a post from a military site:

The Learjet was in service of the GFD: http://www.gfd-hohn.de/index-2.html

It seems they were placing small air targets serving as pratice targets for the Eurofighter.

Something like those little parachutes I guess as other types of targets probably would not be used over populated areas:


43 posted on 06/23/2014 9:37:45 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Is a few posts on Twitter enough to cause local news media to make sure they say Soros was not on board?

I don’t think so. It must have been a pretty big rumor somewhere.

Agreed. Of course any rumor with the name Soros would make it a big rumor.

I can’t imagine just Soros and his assistant on a plane unless they were trying to go somewhere in Stealth Mode.

Agree again

It’s plausible that all people involved were part of the military training exercise.

True. RIP whoever they are.

44 posted on 06/23/2014 9:37:55 AM PDT by amom
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"It seems they were placing small air targets serving as pratice targets for the Eurofighter."

Well that didn't go very well now did it?

45 posted on 06/23/2014 9:40:41 AM PDT by amom
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To: RummyChick
Probably not related.

Jets vanishing from Europe radar linked to war games - Jun 13, 2014

But you never know.

46 posted on 06/23/2014 9:43:45 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: RummyChick

Source (in German): http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/artic...-mit-Eurofighter-im-Sauerland.html

It has been reported that a privately owned Learjet has collided with a Luftwaffe Eurofighter over Sauerland in Germany. The Learjet crashed as a result but the Eurofighter managed to land at its base near Cologne.

According to the article, two Eurofighters and the Learjet were taking part in a joint exercise between the Luftwaffe and the Gesellschaft für Flugzieldarstellung (GFD), a subsiduary of Airbus Defence and Space. The Learjet was a civilian aircraft.


47 posted on 06/23/2014 9:50:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: RummyChick

The Lear Jet that collided with a Eurofighter and subsequently crashed near the place Elpe in eastern Northrhine-Westphalia belonged to the ‘Gesellschaft für Flugzieldarstellung GmbH’ - GFD (Cooperation for air target simulation Ltd.) that opearates 13 Lear Jets for such tasks and is a subsidary of Airbus Defence and Space.

Company website of GFD: http://www.gfd-hohn.de/

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6109272/1/


48 posted on 06/23/2014 9:51:47 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: RummyChick

Well if it was Soros he must have finally stepped in the wrong poop pile.


49 posted on 06/23/2014 10:15:54 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RummyChick

sometimes they are used to trail targets behind them similar to the ad planes just much faster. We used em for gunnery practice.


50 posted on 06/23/2014 10:46:40 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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