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Questions and Answers on Lost Emails in I.R.S. Scandal
New York Times ^ | June 23, 2014 | By DAVID S. JOACHIM

Posted on 06/23/2014 4:10:32 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The New York Slimes! So reliable. I loved their Q&A on the Holocaust released way back when

Q - Are Jews facing persecution in Germany?
A - No

Q - What are the camps where Jews are being sent for?
A - Character and team building

Q - Is Hitler a tyrnat?
A - Of course not

Courtesy of the slimesters


21 posted on 06/23/2014 5:02:13 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: DB

Interesting proposition. But, aren’t there a lot of private sector email providers, both free and paid? Too many to search?


22 posted on 06/23/2014 5:02:21 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Even if Ms. Lerner’s hard drive crashed, how could her emails have just disappeared? Weren’t they backed up?

A. Apparently not, at least not permanently. Before it changed its storage policies last year, the I.R.S. backed up emails onto old-fashioned tape drives. Every six months, it would reuse those tapes, thus erasing the previous batch.


Lies.

I’ve been using one form or another of email since the late 1980’s. There is no such thing as c drive email storage except where one might back up archive stuff. I used it a bit back when outlook was limited. But even then, the company had their own backups, partly because they were REQUIRED BY LAW to save them.

At this time, only a fool would believe incompetence is the reason these emails were not backed up, or even that they were not backed up.

This whole thing is a test to see just how gullible we are.


23 posted on 06/23/2014 5:02:22 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: lacrew

Your blackberry settings were most likely pushed out from the blackberry server, not from RIM. There may be some logging on the BB server, but chances aren’t good that they go back very far.


24 posted on 06/23/2014 5:10:31 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

The IP address may well be office wide and not each individual computer but it still hugely narrows down all the Email addresses connected to that office. Many can be eliminated once found leaving Lerners. Then after that, it would have likely been Web mail which uses a browser to access. Browsers often leaves a unique signature that the Webmail hosting company would have logged.

So much more likely than you might think.


25 posted on 06/23/2014 5:40:42 PM PDT by DB
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To: Pearls Before Swine
It is unlikely to have been paid. That leaves a direct trail to an individual making the payments.

There are not that many free Webmail hosts. It is mostly a matter of will to pursue it.

26 posted on 06/23/2014 5:44:57 PM PDT by DB
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Get from her blackberry?


27 posted on 06/23/2014 5:45:34 PM PDT by databoss
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To: DB

Just ask the Koch brothers or some other deep pockets conservatives to offer a $1 million reward for a “forensic IT solution” to the problem.

$1 million, tax free, of course, anonymously and a Mossad managed witness protection program safe haven.

Any patriotic IT sleuths with backbone and .... um... the cajones?


28 posted on 06/23/2014 5:50:16 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: Viennacon

Q-”Is Stalin starving Ukrainians.”

A-”No. He put the entire country of Ukraine on a diet because they were all very fat.”


29 posted on 06/23/2014 6:00:03 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You only need to ask the IRSA commissioner one question:

When your computer crashed, did you or did you not call the FBI and ask them to send over their computer forensic experts to retrieve the information?

Since the IRS was under investigation by the congress, it would have been and is obvious that it was a matter of utmost urgency that the justice department would be informed and an attempt made to recover the information.

So did the IRS ask for help or not?

“Not” would imply willful action to destroy or at the very least hide evidence.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 6:17:13 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: Ramius

they have some of lerners blackberry emails from right after her drive crashed


31 posted on 06/23/2014 6:21:04 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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Felony obstruction of justice.


32 posted on 06/23/2014 7:07:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Q. Will this dead-end and roadblock have consequences?

A. We’ll find out in November.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 7:32:25 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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Tried to get some answers from my nephew, a twenty year government IT person, at party over the weekend - says the IRS and most government agencies don’t use the general internet but their own internal system - thus usual backups on public servers aren’t available - said the backup system probably used in their system involved a bank of seven tapes, but that data was written to them in pretty much a random order so that it would be hard to go back and track items according to any set criteria - said the data would have been overwritten eventually, but that the system is so poor that new tapes never used before often are defective - all that having been said, he still thinks the emails were deliberately disappeared......


34 posted on 06/23/2014 9:19:21 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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A. Last week Jay Carney said “We found zero emails – sorry to disappoint – between Lois Lerner and anyone within the E.O.P. during this period,” he said, using shorthand for the Executive Office of the President.

Does this mean that he checked the White House servers for any of Lois' emails?

And if her computer crashed BEFORE the offsite backup service was canceled, why was she unable to secure the backup copies?

And what sort of communications were there about concern for any lost communications?

If you lose your computer, your current workload will suffer because ALL of your communication has been lost.

What evidence has been provided to show this concern with daily operations?

35 posted on 06/24/2014 4:43:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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hang on... all those email boxes of other people somehow lost emails from Lois Lerner? How did the recipients lose those received emails?


36 posted on 06/24/2014 11:43:24 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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That’s the question I’m trying to raise, plenty of people involved in the chain of communications, funny how the focus is on one participant’s “lost” computer. Plenty of other places to find copies of the emails.

Also I want to see what kind of emails came up AFTER the crash when she requested a new computer and had to explain to everyone why her work was backlogging because day to day operations emails had been lost (allegedly).


37 posted on 06/24/2014 11:54:56 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

Exactly, their story doesn’t make any sense.


38 posted on 06/24/2014 12:01:24 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: rolling_stone
they have some of lerners blackberry emails from right after her drive crashed

Right. Things still on her BB device.

39 posted on 06/25/2014 2:06:14 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: DB
It is unlikely to have been paid. That leaves a direct trail to an individual making the payments. There are not that many free Webmail hosts. It is mostly a matter of will to pursue it.

Good point DB...

40 posted on 06/26/2014 5:00:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hey IRS - those receipts you wanted? The dog ate 'em. -New Name:"Washington Thinskins" -FR. coloeo)
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