Despite agreeing that science doesn’t have the tools to investigate the supernatural, you still want it to accept it’s existence? You also want an area of study that only deals in the knowable do bring into it’s realm the unknowable?
So, we come back again to the issue of how exactly is science supposed to do this? Rather than complaining about how science isn’t jumping through the impossibly difficult hoops that you place before it, why don’t you describe how it it should achieve what you want? Describe an experiment that scientists can undertake that can deal with the supernatural/unknowable. List out the steps needed, how the results can be tabulated and peer reviewed.
***Despite agreeing that science doesn’t have the tools to investigate the supernatural, you still want it to accept it’s existence?***
Those two statements are not mutually exclusive... the supernatural can exist even though science does not have the tools to investigate it.
***You also want an area of study that only deals in the knowable do bring into it’s realm the unknowable?***
No.... I just want secular science to admit that the answer to some of the problems that have been heretofore insoluble may exist outside of nature.
Consider this, Natufian:
One of these statements is true as they are the only options available:
1. Matter/Energy do not exist.
2. Matter/Energy are eternal.
3. Matter/Energy spontaneously generated out of nothing.
4. Matter/Energy were created.
Option #1 is falsified by the Scientific Method.
Matter & Energy are observed everyday.
Option #2 is falsified by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. As a universe, we are headed for heat death....the sun, for example, can not burn forever, it will eventually run out of fuel. If the universe were eternal, this would have happened already.
Secular science is all-in on the Big Bang theory anyway, admitting that there was a beginning and therefore the universe is not eternal.
Option #3 - Spontaneous generation is falsified by the 1st Law of Thermodynamics (By natural processes, energy cannot be created or destroyed), The Law of the Conservation of Matter (By natural processes, matter cannot be created or destroyed) and the Law of Cause and Effect (every effect must have a greater and preexistent cause).
That leaves us with Option #4... that matter and energy were created. This does not violate any natural law and is the only available option we have left.
A Creator would by definition exist outside of his creation and the Laws of Nature point directly to a Creator.
Which brings me back to the original point that has you so angry. Naturalism is a philosophy. I’ll go further and say that it is an important one for learning about the natural world in which we live.
What I reject is this: “The answer to all of life’s questions can be found in the natural world.... now let’s study the natural world.” That is philosophical and can be refuted by using natural law itself.... I just did it above.
Here’s a quote from a Nobel Prize winning Harvard neurobiologist, George Wald:
“When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility...Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved one hundred years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spellanzani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion — that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God...I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.”
Secular science throws out the Creator before they look at the evidence....he just said it.
I’ll say once more......If my keys are in the kitchen and I refuse to look there, I’m never going to find them..... if the answer is a Creator and you refuse to look there, you are never going to find Him.
Incidentally, Natufian. I know the Creator. If you’d like to know him as well I can help you with that.