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Fox moves to use Aereo ruling against Dish streaming service
The Guardian ^ | Thursday 26 June 2014 15.46 EDT | Dominic Rushe

Posted on 06/29/2014 5:41:59 PM PDT by Utilizer

A day after a surprise US supreme court decision to outlaw streaming TV service Aereo, US broadcaster Fox has moved to use the ruling to clamp down on another internet TV service.

Fox has cited Wednesday’s ruling – which found Aereo to be operating illegally – to bolster its claim against a service offered by Dish, America’s third largest pay TV service, which streams live TV programming over the internet to its subscribers and allows them to copy programmes onto tablet computers for viewing outside the home.

The move has fueled criticism of Wednesday’s ruling from groups that have argued the decision will limit consumer choice, hand more power to broadcasters and stifle innovation.

Immediately after Wednesday’s ruling, Fox’s legal team submitted the supreme court’s Aereo decision to bolster its case against Dish. Oral arguments in the case are scheduled before the ninth circuit court of appeals on 7 July in Pasadena, California.

Dish and Fox have clashed over several services offered by the satellite TV provider including Hopper, a service that allowed customers to record all of a prime time broadcasters schedule and AutoHop, which allowed them to skip all of a broadcaster's ads.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aereo; dishnetwork; dsj02; foxchannel; internet
Depressing news from the Fox Network, with potentially more to come in the near future.

A bit more info at the site and references to Fox's disagreements with the Dish Network and plans for the future.

Only seven major adware blocks listed by ghostery, but worth a look for those of us who like to watch their programs online.

1 posted on 06/29/2014 5:41:59 PM PDT by Utilizer
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To: Utilizer

Who cares? In the average year I spend less time watching network TV than I spend trimming my eyebrows.And I never watch TV on anything but a “TV”...and never will.


2 posted on 06/29/2014 5:53:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Utilizer

The same SCOTUS that just outlawed a parent buying a child his or her first rifle or shotgun, as a “straw purchaser!”

Mark


3 posted on 06/29/2014 5:53:49 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Utilizer

The choices for the consumer start to narrow now ... because of the ruling.


4 posted on 06/29/2014 5:56:06 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Some of us care. Those of us who like things such as "breaking news" for one, such as when the planes were flown into the twin towers not so long ago

Some of the offerings on FNC are arguably decent as well. The Five, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly, Sean Hannity, and Greta Van Susteren (sp?) are some I watch quite regularly -over the internet. It would make things quite difficult for people who can not receive OTA programs, or can not afford cable or satTV if it is even available in their area.

Even here, ATT is pulling out of the local DSL Internet Access options and no longer offering new High-Speed hookups unless you accept their bargain with the partner satTV provider, and satTV internet access is quite poor.

5 posted on 06/29/2014 6:03:53 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

The implications of this decision will begin tricking down to all kinds of things, intended and otherwise.

If Aereo or network TV doesn’t bother you, just wait...


6 posted on 06/29/2014 6:06:51 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Utilizer

I no longer watch Fox. I do enjoy reading comments of how they are still hated by the Left.

Stopped watching O’Reilly about 2007.
Stopped watching Sean about 2008.
Never watched Shep much.
Never watched Kelly ever and have no desire to.

I Enjoy Greta and would pay a fee to her if she did podcasts. She’s smart and I learn from her. Greta would do well with her own radio show as well. She’d probably make a lot more as an independent than she does working for Fox News.


7 posted on 06/29/2014 6:10:51 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Star Traveler

Indeed. Doesn’t help that there are not a lot of options to begin with where I am, either -and what options being offered, if not the most expensive out there, are not exactly the best or even close to the least expensive options available in other areas.


8 posted on 06/29/2014 6:10:55 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: MarkL
"The same SCOTUS that just outlawed a parent buying a child his or her first rifle or shotgun, as a “straw purchaser!”"

Actually it didn't. The court only ruled that such a law against straw purchases wasn't unconstitutional. It didn't make it the law.

9 posted on 06/29/2014 6:11:01 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Gay State Conservative

The people in the overwhelming majority of Americans care.

Thought Big Government was bad? Wait til you get a load of Big Corporate. At least with Big Government you have a shot at electing Conservatives.


10 posted on 06/29/2014 6:11:29 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Utilizer
Fox has cited Wednesday’s ruling – which found Aereo to be operating illegally – to bolster its claim against a service offered by Dish, America’s third largest pay TV service, which streams live TV programming over the internet to its subscribers and allows them to copy programmes onto tablet computers for viewing outside the home.

Clearly Fox doesn't want those who actually pay to receive their horsecrap programming to view it on something other than a TV. I mean Heaven Forbid people watch video on a device not tied directly to a cable box!

OH THE HORROR!!

Having said that, Fox is of course entitled to compensation for their product which they are getting from Dish Network Subscribers. This beef is really about taking the content with the subscriber so they decide when to watch that programming.

How absurd of Fox. I'm darn sure glad I don't pay Cable/Satellite anymore (coming up on 2 years w/o that crap.) TV is nothing more than junk-food for the brain.

11 posted on 06/29/2014 6:14:48 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: bigbob
The implications are worrisome because when you extend Fox's actions to other outlets, what happens when all or even most of the current internet options for watching streaming video are deemed illegal as well?

Did not agree with the Aereo ruling since it is the same as if I decided to plug in some cordless headphones to a radio or tv set to listen. That same decision can be argued to extend even to those devices by the same parameters defined: "re-broadcasting".

12 posted on 06/29/2014 6:17:56 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Hostage
I am not totally happy with some of those names you mentioned either, but do try to watch because at least it is not the usual in-your-face nonstop Liberalspeak propaganda that the other stations put out to "interpret" their so-called "news".

O'Reilly can be a blowhard. Hannity was not making the best choice when he allowed the racist Sharpton to get some airtime on his show -and I truly hate how he continues to promote that skank mistress of Jesse Jackson known as Tamara jackson-Holder to pretend as if she has anything worthwhile to contribute to anything (in My schoolyard days the other girls would label her as "a pit").

Shep is pretty boring. Kelly can be entertaining at times but the recent "mullet-style" hair could use a redo. Van Susteren tends to not know when to go on to the next subject, but then again she is not letting go of the plight of that ex-serviceman jailed in mehico.

I like Gutfeld when he is on The Five. Always has some witty commentary and tongue-in-cheek statements. He is also quite hilarious when he subs for O'Reilly from time to time.

Still, others mileage may vary.

13 posted on 06/29/2014 6:31:14 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: usconservative
Clearly Fox doesn't want those who actually pay to receive their horsecrap programming to view it on something other than a TV.

True. Not certain why Fox is doing this, as they are not losing any revenue by people opting for the streaming video instead of the other methods. Have to wonder who the genius was that decided to attempt to curtail it as it can only reduce the number of available or potential viewers.

14 posted on 06/29/2014 6:34:47 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

Those breaking news events are streamed online by the broadcaster. FoxNews would stream their coverage of an event like that online, guaranteed.

The local channels here stream breaking news events very frequently.


15 posted on 06/29/2014 6:39:10 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Utilizer

Not to mention, I am sick of following breaking news as it happens. Sick of “two shooters with one still on the loose” coverage.

News organizations are so interested in making sure they have all eyes, the garbage they rush out is sickening.


16 posted on 06/29/2014 6:46:37 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: Utilizer
Have to wonder who the genius was that decided to attempt to curtail it as it can only reduce the number of available or potential viewers.

Not so sure we have to wonder at all ... LAWYERS. They can mess up anything.

The reality is, Cable/Satellite and their "bundled" packages crap is dying. The days are coming where you and I will be able to subscribe to only those channels we want, and no more.

We have a Roku in my house. I have Netflix and Amazon (dropped Hulu Plus this week) which serve whatever viewing my two kids and wife want. I have MLB network on it and can use that to watch any baseball game I'm interested in seeing.

Anything else comes in on an HD Over-The-Air antenna built with some old coat hangers, stranded wire and some soldering time. Works well, pulls in HD signals from about 120 miles away. Cable/Satellite TV is for the birds.

17 posted on 06/29/2014 6:54:55 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ican'tbelieveit
Not to mention, I am sick of following breaking news as it happens. Sick of “two shooters with one still on the loose” coverage.

*snort* I must admit, they CAN go overboard at times but some are worse than others. Don't remember which one it was, CNN or pMSNBC that went an entire week with all-Malaysian-Flight-370, all-the-time.

Even FNC ran with it for a couple of days, but thankfully they let off after more and more people were pointing out that the only thing they were "reporting" at that point was suspicions, guesses, and wishful thinking. Some of the Opinion programs hosts refused by the end of the second day to turn their shows into all-flight-370 repeats of the same info already out there and insisted upon returning to their standard formats.

18 posted on 06/29/2014 6:56:13 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Your TV watching time exceeds my own. :-)


19 posted on 06/29/2014 6:59:46 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: usconservative
We have a Roku in my house. I have Netflix and Amazon (dropped Hulu Plus this week) which serve whatever viewing my two kids and wife want.

How well does that work? Been thinking of getting one more and more, but not certain that it will add to whatever I can already watch on the net. Does it allow you to record programs for later viewing, and transferring them over to the computer to watch? The computer does not use as much power as the regular tv does, and I need the recording capability for the times I need to go out of town and want to watch one of the daily shows I miss when I do travel.

20 posted on 06/29/2014 7:00:56 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: usconservative
Clearly Fox doesn't want those who actually pay to receive their horsecrap programming to view it on something other than a TV. I mean Heaven Forbid people watch video on a device not tied directly to a cable box!
Here's the reason:

...which allowed them to skip all of a broadcaster's ads...
Fox News has become the television version of the Rush Limbaugh Show - blocks of commercials interrupted (infrequently) by short bits of live/taped programming.

They don't want anything disrupting their gravy train.

21 posted on 06/29/2014 7:01:39 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: Utilizer
How well does that work? Been thinking of getting one more and more, but not certain that it will add to whatever I can already watch on the net.

Going from Cable/Satellite to Roku was pretty easy for us (more specifically: ME.) My two teenage sons had a few things they liked to watch on DirecTV, their content choices greatly expanded for us by using NetFlix, Hulu and Amazon Prime. (We've since dropped Hulu, they put MORE commercials in a program than the damn' networks do!)

I'm saving about $930/year by dropping DirecTV and buying a Roku device and subscribing to Netflix ($8/mo. all I can stream) and Amazon Prime ($79/year.)

There's all kinds of free content on the Roku, you'd have to search for "Roku Channels" using Google -- you'll find a few good comprehensive links showing what's available. Even better are the Roku "Private Channels" which are those channels still in Beta for example and some of that's pretty good stuff.

Does it allow you to record programs for later viewing, and transferring them over to the computer to watch?

Not by itself. There are a few methods to record Roku to PC that I've lightly investigated in the last few months but haven't tried it myself. Since Roku's an "on demand" type of service (watch what you want,when you want to) I personally haven't seen a need to record anything.

22 posted on 06/29/2014 7:10:48 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Bratch
Ah, those dreaded "ad skippers!"
23 posted on 06/29/2014 7:11:28 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Utilizer

So much for Fox and Free Market

Fox already charges Dish for carraige

Rupert Murdoch has always been a liberal, too...His big break in media came by latching on to Australian Labour Party PM Gough Whitlam....the “Father of Socialized Medicine in Australia”


24 posted on 06/29/2014 7:30:17 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Hollywood...Washington DC for pretty people)
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To: Utilizer

I can remember back to the days when cable refused to show Fox and Fox had to sue to get on.

And I saw a fight almost break out in an airport when someone tried to change from CNN to Fox.

I also remember back to the days of 1996 I think it was when Tony Snow hosted Fox News Sunday and I commented realtime on his show’s blog and he would respond. He even had Dick Armey and others respond to questions on the blog. My question to Tony one Sunday was “Why do you have these classless democrat hacks on like Bob Shrum who do not know how to tell the truth or be civil?” And then he responded that it was difficult to find prominent elected democrats to appear on the show. I wrote “Ok I get it! Tony you’re a genius! You have all the second and third string democrat players on and that just makes them look worse! Keep up with that strategy!”, and his response was a smiley face.


25 posted on 06/29/2014 7:51:21 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: usconservative
Hmmm. Interesting. Just a few more questions if you don't mind. I am looking at the offerings now, and getting several mixed reviews.

First, how difficult is it to actually connect? Not physically, I can already see the LAN and HDMI ports on the online pics, but actually getting it to connect, and is there a service or connection charge of some type? Hopefully only one time if necessary. Some of the reviewers mentioned having to make a phone call to set it up otherwise they were being required to post their CC info online which many were reluctant to do.

Next, performance. I am looking at the Roku3 and seeing a lot of complaints of overheating problems and lackluster customer service. Any problems with lag and stuttering? I only have about a 3M max download rate and not sure how that will affect viewability. Any problems with long-term viewing due to heating issues on the unit or power adaptor? Also, a lot of complaints that the Roku would minimize the viewing window towards the end of the episode and run a standard message of some sort which detracted much from the overall experience.

Lastly how did you go about signing up with something like Netflix? Through the Roku or through the Netflix people? Don't remember which one it was, but either Hulu or Amazon Prime insisted on running their streams in a bordered window and had no option to remove them but I believe Amazon at least allowed you to go fullscreen, so with an HDMI-DVI and with a DVI-VGA adaptor(s) if necessary I might be able to view it on the computer.

Be nice if you could access the Roku through the router from the computer, though.

26 posted on 06/29/2014 8:05:28 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Utilizer

I fall for it; people here fall for it.

Recently I have taken the approach of seeing how many things they get wrong if I pay attention at all.


27 posted on 06/29/2014 8:33:39 PM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: usconservative
Since Roku's an "on demand" type of service (watch what you want,when you want to) I personally haven't seen a need to record anything.

Forgot to add: on-demand is all well and good for most material, however if I miss something like Fox News Sunday and only get back into town on Monday or Tuesday, such a service is rather limited when considering how to view a program that aired previously. Fox News Sunday is not still broadcasting the same episode the next day or the following one, which is why the ability to record is something of a necessity -at least for Me.

28 posted on 06/29/2014 8:49:02 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Hostage
I remember that. The cable providers were insisting that the Fox Network and then Fox News were not a "legitimate" provider like the established Big Three (ABC, CBS, NBC) and later CNN were, so they were not required to carry them.

Tony was a class act all the way, always was, and he is missed greatly to this very day.

RIP, Tony.

29 posted on 06/29/2014 8:53:02 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Bratch
Fox News has become the television version of the Rush Limbaugh Show - blocks of commercials interrupted (infrequently) by short bits of live/taped programming.

If you're referring to the Rush Limbaugh radio show someone -- probably local market broadcaster -- is overlaying the program with unauthorized commercial material. We hear commercials only at the usual breaks -- no more than previously.

30 posted on 06/29/2014 8:59:36 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: bigbob

Since this is about copyright statute, if there is enough pressure then Congress can modify it. This was about providing a feed of free TV over cable and the multi miniature antenna thing was a gimmick, a gimmick which did not work the legal magic its inventors hoped.


31 posted on 06/29/2014 9:08:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Utilizer
...and only get back into town on Monday or Tuesday,...

...or later... (should have added)

32 posted on 06/29/2014 10:08:26 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“Who cares? In the average year I spend less time watching network TV than I spend trimming my eyebrows.And I never watch TV on anything but a “TV”...and never will.”

I’m with you. TV has done enough to DESTROY this country (starting with Kennedy’s win in 1964, engineering our loss in Vietnam, sticking us with Jimmy Carter...the list in endless) that I don’t really care what happens in these cases - at all.


33 posted on 06/30/2014 3:04:37 AM PDT by BobL
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