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Narrow Supreme Court decision in Hobby Lobby underscores abortion-expanding Obamacare
National Right to Life ^ | Tuesday, July 1, 2014

Posted on 07/01/2014 5:51:42 PM PDT by annalex

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1 posted on 07/01/2014 5:51:42 PM PDT by annalex
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To: A.A. Cunningham; andyk; AlexW; BatGuano; bayliving; Belteshazzar; bert; Bibman; Bigg Red; ...

If you want to be on this right wing, monarchy, paleolibertarianism and nationalism ping list, but are not, please let me know. If you are on it and want to be off, also let me know. This ping list is not used for Catholic-Protestant debates; all confessions are welcome.


2 posted on 07/01/2014 5:52:50 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

NOTE: I had to alter the title a bit in order to shorten it.


3 posted on 07/01/2014 5:54:05 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Former Rep Bart Stupack can go to hell as far as I am concerned. Pro-life my arse.


4 posted on 07/01/2014 5:57:33 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: annalex

Depressingly, this is right.


5 posted on 07/01/2014 6:35:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I set before you this day Life and Death, a Blessing and a Curse.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s a toehold in a war that has many challenges ahead of it.

The Lord can wipe out evil through His love. But people have to be willing to accept the love. Love by definition can’t be stuffed down an unwilling person’s throat.

As for Obamacare itself, here’s my hopeful prognosis — the Calvinball can only be kept up so long before Obamacare rots into a joke. Now will the joke be laughed off or will it be reverently enshrined, that is the question.


6 posted on 07/01/2014 6:42:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: annalex

Keywords “family owned” “closely held”

Is Hobby Lobby really a corporation or is it just a family owned and operated company


7 posted on 07/01/2014 10:16:22 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Lawgvr1955

A politician is someone trained in appealing to the largest segments of the electorate without being obviously inconsistent. So we have pro-life Democrats and pro-gun rights democrats; or pro-gay Republicans. These are all puzzle pieces for them, not internal convictions. With Stupack, the pro-life piece fit so badly, the contradiction ended his career. He did not vote for Obamacare despite his convictions, he took on the pro-life piece of the puzzle and it fell out. Very few politicians can be trusted, either “pro-life” or pro-anything.


8 posted on 07/02/2014 4:48:49 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Salvation; annalex; HiTech RedNeck
My understanding is that a "closely-held" corporation is considered to be one that has 5 owners or less. It's not a "publicly traded" corporation with multitudes of shareholders.

So this ruling really is very narrow-gauge. Nevertheless, it is the kind of "pin-prick" that can make the Grand Egotist in Chief explode. Always a Work of Mercy worth doing.

9 posted on 07/02/2014 4:49:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I set before you this day Life and Death, a Blessing and a Curse.")
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To: Salvation

Yes, that is probably the narrowest.


10 posted on 07/02/2014 4:53:40 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Salvation; HiTech RedNeck
Generally, a closely held corporation is a corporation that: The definitions for the terms "directly or indirectly" and "individual" are in Publication 542, Corporations. A closely held corporation is subject to additional limitations in the tax treatment of items such as passive activity losses, at-risk rules, and compensation paid to corporate officers.
IRS Q+A publication

Observe that this precludes Hobby Lobby for ever from seeking infusion of capital, whether or not the investor shares their values.

11 posted on 07/02/2014 4:59:31 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Stupak voted for PPACA, not against it. Was that a typo?
12 posted on 07/02/2014 5:07:33 AM PDT by johniegrad
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Yes, if I remember right, he voted for Obamacare after Obama gave him a promise of brightly colored trinkets.

What I am saying in 8 is that politicians wear convictions like hats. Just like someone in a sombrero is not necessarily a Mexican, so someone with a pro-life voting record is not necessarily pro-life: he just considered pro-life voting record a good accessory to wear.


13 posted on 07/02/2014 5:25:21 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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Perhaps your post auto corrected. But Stupak voted FOR Obamacare. As I said before, I consider him a hypocrite for his “pro-life” posturing.


14 posted on 07/02/2014 5:50:09 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 ( Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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It’s a beginning, though. Our most pressing question at this point is not what can go wrong, but what can go right — and working with providence to that end.

Nobody can invest in closely held corporations? That’s a technicality of current law. If being closely held becomes the new trend, Congress could modify this.


15 posted on 07/02/2014 6:52:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The situation of publicly traded would have to be treated separately if and when it arose. The USSC smiled on closely held corporations; it hasn’t yet frowned at other ones.


16 posted on 07/02/2014 6:54:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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It’s interesting that if they try to trade more stock and get bigger via more investors, they lose their Constitutional right to the Free Exercise of Religion. Amirite?


17 posted on 07/02/2014 8:19:47 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I set before you this day Life and Death, a Blessing and a Curse.")
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To: Lawgvr1955; johniegrad
I agree with you. I wrote this part badly:
He did not vote for Obamacare despite his convictions...
It was meant to be a double negation: "he voted for Obamacare not despite his convictions but because he had no convictions". See my 13 clarifying.
18 posted on 07/02/2014 5:24:42 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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It is a beginning; I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade.


19 posted on 07/02/2014 5:26:17 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Thanx for clarifying. That’s what I thought you meant.


20 posted on 07/02/2014 5:30:16 PM PDT by johniegrad
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