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Issa: New Koskinen Testimony Will Turn Up Heat On Lois Lerner (VIDEO)
National Review ^ | July 26 2014 | Tim Cavanaugh

Posted on 07/06/2014 10:56:00 AM PDT by PoloSec

California Republican Congressman Darrell Issa indicated Sunday that upcoming testimony from Internal Revenue Service Commissioner John Koskinen could further incriminate embattled former IRS official Lois Lerner.

“Either Lois Lerner’s attorney is outright not telling the truth…or the commissioner was inaccurate in his testimony before Congress,” Issa said on Fox News Sunday. “Now the lawyer, Mr. (William) Taylor, is not under oath. The commissioner is.”

Issa, chairman of the House Committee On Oversight and Government Reform, was referring to statements made by Lerner’s legal team that contradicted claims made by Koskinen during recent House testimony. Lerner, former director of the tax agency’s Exempt Organizations Division, was a leader in an IRS campaign to target conservative and Tea Party groups for abuse and suppression. Last year she pled her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination before Congress, and she resigned soon afterward. More recently the IRS has claimed that it misplaced a trove of emails relating to Lerner’s potentially criminal actions.

Issa noted that Koskinen has asked for a chance to clarify his earlier testimony, adding that the evidence could underscore Lerner’s role in the widening IRS scandal.

“It probably will make us understand that Lois Lerner’s attorney continues to profess her innocence, when we’re long past the question of guilt,” Issa said “She broke rules; she broke the law; and she continues to hide under the Fifth Amendment, which is her right. But let’s understand: She is in fact a person who’s been referred for criminal prosecution.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: irs; issa; lerner

1 posted on 07/06/2014 10:56:00 AM PDT by PoloSec
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To: PoloSec
Either Lois Lerner’s attorney is outright not telling the truth…or the commissioner was inaccurate in his testimony before Congress

What difference does it make. This committee is going nowhere because so far it has done nothing to the criminals. Lerner will never see jail time. And the IRS will continue to do its criminal past like nothing happened.

2 posted on 07/06/2014 11:08:38 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: PoloSec; flaglady47; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner; ExTexasRedhead; M Kehoe; Ricebug; ...
Slow Lerner should abandon the Fifth, request and be granted full immunity, take the mike and tell the truth, i.e. "I cannot tell a lie, OBAMA MADE ME DO IT"....thus saving her own hide and finally bringing Obama down for high crimes and misdemeanors.

Question is, with the heat and pressure on her mounting at full speed....will she fall on the sword for her Lord and Master like a good little disciple, or will she have a fiery epiphany on the road to to the Graybar Hotel.

I suppose it's boils down to how much she values her sorry hide.

Leni

3 posted on 07/06/2014 11:11:01 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: PoloSec

July 26 2014? Time traveling to be first to post an article is not permitted on FreeRepublic.


4 posted on 07/06/2014 11:12:03 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: PoloSec

The House Republicans can have Lerner arrested and imprisoned RIGHT NOW under Congressional power of inherent contempt without Holder and without the Courts. Issa is running a dog and pony show.


5 posted on 07/06/2014 11:17:56 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundationhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/j of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Logical me

IIRC, this “Commissioner of the IRS” is the THIRD one in the Obama administration.

Musical chairs to move out those who actually DO know what happened.

Having said that, this POS is pretty arrogant in his dealings with the Committee.


6 posted on 07/06/2014 11:25:00 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: MinuteGal

It depends on if she thinks she can trust Obama to give her a pardon and make her rich somehow.

Can she trust Obama? Can she really really trust him? That is a tough question.


7 posted on 07/06/2014 11:27:16 AM PDT by The Free Engineer
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To: The Free Engineer
"It depends on if she thinks she can trust Obama to give her a pardon and make her rich somehow."

A pardon will get her out of jail but if Obama pardoned her now she is still not exempt from testifying and telling the truth in front of Congress or any court of law. If she tries that with a pardon in hand, then she is guilty of perjury or obstruction of justice.

All she can count on is Obama pardoning her at the end of his term, in January 2017. In the meantime, she will either keep her mouth shut and endure prison and humiliation or she will sing like a canary.

8 posted on 07/06/2014 11:35:48 AM PDT by tom h
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To: Logical me
Well said. All of our conservative politicians are gravely mistaken if they think words are going to stop this full on assault of America.
9 posted on 07/06/2014 11:36:35 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod
My understanding is that Learner can only be held in the Congressional Poky for the term of the current sitting Congress. So Issa should not pull the trigger on her until Feb 2015, she can rot a full 2 years.
10 posted on 07/06/2014 12:12:00 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: Logical me

She may well see jail time but for how long? She’ll be pardoned in Jan 2016 regardless.


11 posted on 07/06/2014 12:36:57 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: MinuteGal

Great scenario! I fear ,however, that in the epilog Obama survives
the ensuing onslaught because others close to him will fall
on their swords. In the end Obama will pardon Lerner etal no matter
what.


12 posted on 07/06/2014 12:43:48 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: The Free Engineer

Nah, no-one can trust O. Not only does he lie at the drop of the hat, but also throws people under the bus without a care in the world.


13 posted on 07/06/2014 12:45:03 PM PDT by expat2
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To: MinuteGal; Bob Ireland

Unfortunately, Lois Lerner is more likely to remain silent in order to be rewarded by the Democratic Party & the Washington elite. Remember the young woman who was a law student that testified before congress that the government had to pay for her birth control. I saw her in a news report recently and she is now a well-paid attorney for the Democratic Party. These communists know how to reward those faithful to the party and their followers know where their reward and their protection comes from.

Giving Lois Lerner immunity is useless because she knows that she will be well rewarded for her service to the Democrats. She is not going to tell Congress or Darrell Issa anything that would endanger that reward because Congress cannot criminally prosecute her. That is why we need a prosecutor who has the real power to take those rewards away through criminal prosecution.

MinuteGal said “Question is, with the heat and pressure on her mounting at full speed....will she fall on the sword for her Lord and Master like a good little disciple, or will she have a fiery epiphany on the road to to the Graybar Hotel.

I suppose it’s boils down to how much she values her sorry hide.”


14 posted on 07/06/2014 1:08:47 PM PDT by Q-ManRN (Progressivism is regressive!)
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To: Q-ManRN

Special prosecuter in 2017? GOP? If she’s pardoned go after obama.


15 posted on 07/06/2014 1:14:31 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Q-ManRN; flaglady47; Bob Ireland
Nevertheless, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, Lerner can face jail under a certain point of constitutional law if she continues to hide behind the Fifth.

If my memory serves me rightly a media member went to jail in the case involving Valerie Plame and Scooter Libby....and several reporters have served time in the slammer in years past for invoking the Fifth and adamantly refusing to testify.

The pleaders were all released rather quickly, but the point is that being in a federal clink even for 30 days doesn't help Loser Lois in her post-IRA career, i.e. attorney for the Democrat Party...or wherever she's hiding right now. The imprisonment will be on her public record forever.

Not that Dems care even if she homocided someone in her parlor. At the conclusion of the case, the fact may be ascertained that she committed federal crimes....and she probably would be thrown under the bus and eased out of her Dem job...and would have to find another sinecure after she served her time....and her imprisonment will always be on her resume.

But one thing is NOT speculation.....she has to make her decision shortly whether she wants to take ANY fall for Obama....or she may choose to play "let's make a deal"....and then she fingers the capo-of-all-capos from the stand....and on TV!

At some point the woman will have to get real with herself and her future......especially if she starts pondering the oldie but goodie English proverb...."is the flame worth the candle?"

Leni

16 posted on 07/06/2014 2:07:43 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

I certainly can’t correct you, but correct me if I’m wrong, the difference between the Plame affair and this one is that a federal prosecutor had been appointed and he had a grand jury set up for collecting evidence. Holder has not budged an inch on the IRS case.

In my opinion (a small minority opinion here at FR) is that this is all adding pressure to force the issue with the injustice department. This coming week there are two ancillary events. On Thursday, as I recall a judge is set to entertain a motion from Judicial Watch concerning the spoliation of evidence. Then on Friday another federal judge considers an urgent motion for expedited discovery (as I recall) in the True the Vote litigation, also in regard to the spoliation of evidence. From what I was reading last week, both cases are looking pretty strong.

If Koskinen is wanting to “correct” his previous testimony he knows that he has set himself up for perjury and he wants to weasel his way out. He may not want to hang Lerner out to dry, but it sure beats finding himself being hung out to dry.

This one might get real hot real fast, but might get eclipsed by the illegal wave, or the fall of Baghdad for that matter . . . .


17 posted on 07/06/2014 2:24:40 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: MinuteGal
I suppose it's boils down to how much she values her sorry hide.

I suppose she values it enough to keep her yap shut.

18 posted on 07/06/2014 4:28:29 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Cap Huff

Seems to me that the big news is Issa saying she has
already been referred for criminal prosecution, now the
ball in in Holders court, what will he do???


19 posted on 07/06/2014 4:36:23 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: MinuteGal
Her sorry hide is retired, sitting on silken pillows, collecting a fat “government pension” larger than 60% of USA citizens annual working wages, for her blatantly anti-USA work.

I do not agree with granting her immunity.She wasn't a low level participant, she was an operations manager in these illegal, corrupt and filthy partisan crimes.

First jail, then hell for her sorry hide.

20 posted on 07/06/2014 5:04:55 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: MinuteGal

I think this criminal enterprise (AKA the Obama administration) will run out the clock ‘til the next inauguration. The day before, Obama will start issuing pardons.

He’ll be up all night signing the damned things.

AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO LET THIS HAPPEN.


21 posted on 07/06/2014 5:10:21 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: Cap Huff
Minor correction....I was not comparing the Plame case and the Lerner case in any way, shape or form. I was pointing out the media person involved who took the Fifth, but ended up going into the clink anyhow.

So, Mizz Lerner may not escape jail time by taking the Fifth as a protection.

The rest of your post is spot on.

Leni

22 posted on 07/06/2014 6:42:43 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Peter W. Kessler; flaglady47; mickie; pax_et_bonum; Maine Mariner; Bob Ireland; mcmuffin; ...
Hi, Pete!

I don't think the Dems will be able to run out the clock in the Lerner investigation/stonewalling developments till the next presidential campaign begins in earnest or till inauguration day in D.C.

I'm convinced the GOP sleuths would not be investing this much time, energy and taxpayers' money in this case if they didn't ALREADY have enough damning evidence safely in hand.

What we're seeing now is the "flipping" process underway to ice the cake. John Koskinen, the new IRS comish, has already phoned into congress central to "clarify" his previous sworn testimony. Hah!

Watch for other under-reported clues in the next two weeks....the dominos are starting to fall - I have little to zero doubt.

Leni

23 posted on 07/06/2014 7:01:44 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

Well... I hope you’re right.

But I have little faith in Darryl Issa.


24 posted on 07/06/2014 7:11:07 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: Logical me

If you want to give up why are you here? Really - you jump to the top of the thread with the message ‘it’s all hopeless, democrats are too smart for us’... It’s Tokyo Rose stuff... “give up Americans, the Japanese are too powerful for you”...


25 posted on 07/06/2014 7:14:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (Why no outrage over IRS targeting? Same reason Pravda didn't make a stink about gulags.FREnterprise)
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To: tet68

Actually, a criminal referal on Lerner was sent to the Injustice Department around the 9th of April. Of course, Holder has done nothing, afterall his sworn duty is to preserve, protect and defend obama’s reputation against all enemies, particularly Tea Party enemies.

The ball has been in Holder’s court for months. I know that the default opinion here at FR is “why hasn’t Issa (or Boehner, or Camp) thrown Lerner and Holder in jail” but we have a little problem there, and it is called the Consitution of the United States and the separation of powers. Yes, yes, yes, (and again yes) I know that there is an implied constitutional power of congress to arrest and hold recalcitrant witnesses. The problem there is that it is not an enumerated power of congress, and it rests on rather murky ground (as I see it) in case law. That, coupled with the ability of the dem propaganda machine (CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.) to scream and blare distortion and lies made it impossible to gain by incarcerating Lerner or Holder. At the very time that the criminal referal was sent, Elijah Cummings was huffing and puffing about McCarthyism. In my opinion, incarcerating Lerner at that time would have backfired big time.

We may be getting to a sweet spot. Koskinen wants to amend his sworn testimony (likely further incriminating Lerner) and then the two court actions this week are likely to fall in the direction we want them to fall. If this does not get eclipsed by a Marrieta showdown, or the emergency evacuation of the embassy in Baghdad, or both, we might see a special counsel appointment real soon. In any event, the True the Vote suit will continue, so regardless of what happens in congress, this one will not completely die.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 12:54:59 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: MinuteGal

Agreed. Plame was much ado about nothing. The Lerner affair is a criminal conspiracy involving high federal officers.


27 posted on 07/07/2014 12:57:17 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: MinuteGal
***Slow Lerner should abandon the Fifth, request and be granted full immunity***

I have to disagree on the immunity thingy... Lois Lerner is a gangster, has been going back to her work for the FEC [elections]. She has committed serious Constitutional abuses going back long before Ob@ma.

Also, as you say, immunity is useless because without a prosecutor and threat of prison to various, the Democrap Communist Ruling Oligarchy is going to take care of her One way or the other!

28 posted on 07/07/2014 8:34:27 AM PDT by Bob Ireland (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise)
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