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Seattle pushing back on the $15 minimum wage
Hotair ^ | 07/05/2014 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 07/06/2014 7:19:17 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

When Seattle passed their new city council ordinance mandating a staged increase in the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour, many local businesses – as well as observers across the nation – were left shaking their heads. The rules seemed to be unevenly applied, with some businesses having to comply but not others, as well has having a complete disregard for whether or not the job providing entities would be able to remain competitive and survive under the new rules. As Reuters reports, a coalition of business owners are now moving to exercise the power of public support to put the brakes on this thing before it goes off the tracks entirely.

Forward Seattle, which represents restaurants, retailers and other businesses, handed in just under 20,000 signatures to the Seattle City Clerk on Wednesday, more than the 16,510 needed to qualify for the November ballot, said group co-chair Angela Cough.

The proposal would ask Seattle voters to repeal a $15 minimum wage increase that was approved by a unanimous vote of the City Council last month and signed by Mayor Ed Murray. It is scheduled to go into effect over several years.

The move by city leaders marked the first time a major U.S. city has committed to such a high base level of pay. Seattle is among several cities leading the way in a national push by Democrats to raise minimum wages, and the plan in the Pacific Northwest city has drawn criticism from business groups.

Over at The American Thinker, Rick Moran asks a few pointed questions which the city council might want to consider.

Many voters believe all businesses are rich and don’t pay their employees $15 an hour because they’re greedy.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bluezones; minimumwage; seattle

1 posted on 07/06/2014 7:19:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Minimum wage is an absolute joke being that they will hire illegals for a fraction of that. I remember in the 70s when I was in High school it was tough to get a job, I can’t even imagine what it’s like now. “Can you work for $3 bucks an hour? Well then get lost. I’ll hire Juan”


2 posted on 07/06/2014 7:22:43 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals don’t live in reality. They truly believe that you can double the current legal minimum wage with no ill effects at all. This is a result of static thinking.


3 posted on 07/06/2014 7:25:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The rules seemed to be unevenly applied, with some businesses having to comply but not others . . .

Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828.

4 posted on 07/06/2014 7:29:39 PM PDT by Hoodat (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: SeekAndFind
The real minimum wage is zero dollars.

/johnny

5 posted on 07/06/2014 7:42:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

The government has NO business telling any employer what the must pay their employees.


6 posted on 07/06/2014 7:45:01 PM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: SeekAndFind; All
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7 posted on 07/06/2014 7:52:21 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: From The Deer Stand

Communist governments start with taxing people.
Can’t pay? They will take your property, business away and they will “manage” it to destruction.
Then everybody will be even, “distributed”.
See shining example of Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Venezuela, NYC

What do not people get???


8 posted on 07/06/2014 7:52:40 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The rules seemed to be unevenly applied, with some businesses having to comply but not others”

Compliance to be determined by the level of “Donations” to SEIU groups and the “right” Democrats, of course.

Just like Chicago...


9 posted on 07/06/2014 7:58:23 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

And that is one of the lynchpins of this MW issue. Republicans need to hammer on this.

Eliminate MW and the illegal alien Mexican problem dries up.


10 posted on 07/06/2014 8:02:42 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: SeekAndFind
A HUGE majority of Seattle residents voted NO on raising Cig taxes and told the
Politicians to manage the money better. They passed it anyway and ignored the Vote.

Expect the same with WA's track record and a Communist in charge.

11 posted on 07/06/2014 8:05:46 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Fifteen dollars minimum wage? Well here's what will be the answer to that:

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12 posted on 07/06/2014 8:05:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: SkyDancer
In Hong Kong there is a resturuant chain called Eat East. Everything they do is frozen and microwaved like a TV dinner.

They have a wide menu with all sorts of dishes like Spaghetti, sandwiches and curry. There is only one employee in the store.

It is good stuff, better than McDonald's and cheaper too. That is what you get with a high minimum wage. One job not 25 http://www.openrice.com/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=22698&tc=sr1&con=phto

13 posted on 07/06/2014 8:15:48 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is all too funny and a good example of why I left that leftist hell hole.

I remember back when they proposed a ‘luxury coffee’ tax. All those good liberals protested it and had signs in their cafe windows urging people to call their reps and demand they not pass it.

They said the tax of what is really peanuts compared to the minimum-wage tax would hurt their business.

No kidding.

Now they elected the same socialist scumbags (no different than those in the DemocRat party) who put this minimum-wage garbage through.

Brilliant.


14 posted on 07/06/2014 8:48:27 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SkyDancer
High-tech jobs may be moving overseas, but one low-tech job Americans could always fall back on was flipping burgers at McDonald's.
But that could change in the not-too-distant future. Later this year, a Chicago-area McDonald's restaurant will fry up hamburgers with an automated grill that dispenses patties directly onto the griddle from a separate freezer compartment, reducing labor and promising fresher sandwiches.
[...] McDonald's Corp. is also experimenting with automation to increase the amount of french fries it can produce during the busy lunch rush. Electronic kiosks that let customers key in their own orders have already moved beyond the lab into actual restaurants in two markets, and will be evaluated for broader use at year-end

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/80304


15 posted on 07/06/2014 8:59:35 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: SeekAndFind

You want those plastic bag bans gone? The reason why so many businesses are standing up against Seattle is that it is going to hit them in the pocketbook. Make the same situation happen with the bag bans. ‘You won’t bag my purchase for free? I’ll go somewhere else, and you can restock your shelves. You’ll lose a sale and you’ve got annoyed customers in line delayed, and staff doing extra work.

Even in the People’s Republics of Santa Monica and Pasadena, I’ve had managers time and time again hand over bags rather than lose the sale and lose the time and effort. You are the consumer, they want to sell you things, and if you want to make a condition of sale that is ‘illegal’, they will eventually move to get that law reversed.

Yep, a thousand bags is under $20 delivered from your local office supply store or Amazon. Sure, you can lug around dirty bags and put fresh food in it. Or you can actually take a stand and say ‘no.’


16 posted on 07/06/2014 9:32:31 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Growing up in the 70’s I had some nice low-wage jobs:
Municipal Arena usher - the kind of job people would pay to do. See the event, meet people, take friends. Had to join a union though, to take dues and make sure I didn’t do anything that was someone else’s job.

Night attendant - some cleanup and organizing, take the rare call or delivery, but mostly sit & study or read (today I’d be on smartphone/tablet).

You apply for the job, know the terms, and are happy to get it. Do a good job, get promoted or at least references and networks. If you’re happily working for a low-margin employer, why should Obama or anyone say “If you like your job, you can’t keep your job!”


17 posted on 07/06/2014 10:06:11 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: SkyDancer
The hamburger building machine brought to you by Momentum:


18 posted on 07/06/2014 10:23:10 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Automation by Momentum will "democratize access to high quality food making it available to the masses."


19 posted on 07/06/2014 10:33:01 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
I know people in Seattle. There is a burger chain called 'Dicks', and it has food that is in the same league as In N Out. Dicks makes it a practice to hire high school and college students. Giving back to the community, so to speak. Upshot is, the owner of Dicks wrote to the paper and did interviews to the effect that he would have to shut down if the higher minimum wage went through because he couldn't afford to run his business anymore. But the A$$holes in charge don't care; they want to make it a liberal utopia where everyone makes tons of bucks, the thousands of homeless are given everything, and everybody wears bike helmets.Morons, all.
20 posted on 07/06/2014 10:52:13 PM PDT by Othniel (No, I don't have a plan. And doesn't that scare you to death?)
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To: expat1000
Gotta love the comments at that site you linked for automated McDonalds.

Im never gonna be able to give abuse to little shitheads agian how depressing.

Now how are youths going to learn how to take abuse?

21 posted on 07/06/2014 10:59:38 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Blood of Tyrants; SeekAndFind

In Washington, DC, with Walmart trying to open 6 stores for DC’s 640,000 residents, there was an attempt to require large retailers (70,000 sq. ft. or larger) to pay $12.50 and hour. It lost, but by only 1 vote. In many areas, Walmart employees are getting significant Federal dollars in food stamps, and other payments because their wages are so low. Walmart’s CEO is paid $21 million.


22 posted on 07/06/2014 11:18:42 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
" a good example of why I left that leftist hell hole."

Seattle is such a disgusting place to visit. Homeless bums everywhere begging, sleeping on the streets, basically taking over public spaces in the south near Pioneer Square and the art district.

I avoid going there unless there is some very special event. Sick place. Thanks, Liberals for making a formerly beautiful city into the nation's bum magnet.

This really is a typical scene on the Streets of Seattle.

23 posted on 07/06/2014 11:48:58 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: bringing joy to the hearts of Terrorists everywhere.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Minimum wage is an absolute joke being that they will hire illegals for a fraction of that. I remember in the 70s when I was in High school it was tough to get a job, I can’t even imagine what it’s like now. “Can you work for $3 bucks an hour? Well then get lost. I’ll hire Juan”

Bothering to enforce a law like "E-Verify" would solve a lot of problems, and free up a lot of low-paying, low skilled jobs for American citizens, like teens getting their first job, or for seniors, looking to pick up a few extra bucks.

But then, "illegal" is nothing but a sick bird, unless you cross the government.

Mark

24 posted on 07/07/2014 12:58:22 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Leo Carpathian

“What do not people get???”
History lessons in school on the shortcomings of marxism.
Also education sadly lacking in basic economics.


25 posted on 07/07/2014 1:08:06 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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>> Many voters believe all businesses are rich and don’t pay their employees $15 an hour because they’re greedy.

“Many voters” are economically ignorant.


26 posted on 07/07/2014 1:46:42 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: gleeaikin

Walmart employees are getting significant Federal dollars in food stamps, and other payments because their wages are so low. Walmart’s CEO is paid $21 million.
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BS. The average wage for Walmart store employees in more than $15 and they get sick leave, education assistance, health insurance, etc. Stop believing all of the UNION propoganda. The CEO of the world’s largest retailer is making FAR less than many of the people on Wall Street!


27 posted on 07/07/2014 2:19:36 AM PDT by octex
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To: SeekAndFind

what a shower of wimps...

lets eradicate poverty, just pay everyone 1000 dollars an hour..hell why stop there lets make everyone billionaires, whats the problem? not enough, how about google-plexaires...keep going. we can solve this so easily.

i want more money per hour than atoms in the universe..

actually why work, just gimme money, lets not restrict ourselves.

do i need a sarc here...really?


28 posted on 07/07/2014 2:56:47 AM PDT by Irishguy
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To: Fai Mao
It is good stuff, better than McDonald's and cheaper too.

There's a place for a chain like that with or without minimum wage. I'm surprised no one has tried it yet, at least with order-takers. I can't say that I've had any memorable interactions with them, and they often make errors.

29 posted on 07/07/2014 3:10:12 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: jonrick46

I don’t see the saliva injectors in that graphic. Is that an extra cost option?


30 posted on 07/07/2014 3:10:30 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course, the underlying reason for the leftist push to increase minimum wage is the lib/leftist idea that businesses exist to provide jobs instead of to make money for the business owner. Every time a new business starts up in my part of the country, the local media asks the owner how many jobs they plan to provide. Just once I wish an owner would answer "as few as possible."

That is the politically incorrect answer and sounds coldhearted. But let's be realistic...no business owner is going to add more costs to doing business than they can financially justify. Leftists simply don't understand economics.

31 posted on 07/07/2014 3:40:20 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: From The Deer Stand
The government has NO business telling any employer what the must pay their employees.

Agree 100%.

32 posted on 07/07/2014 3:47:28 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Irishguy
lets eradicate poverty, just pay everyone 1000 dollars an hour..hell why stop there lets make everyone billionaires, whats the problem?

Not saying it will happen, but what happens to this Minimum Wage if we get hit by a dose of hyper-inflation?

33 posted on 07/07/2014 3:48:54 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The real minimum wage is zero dollars.

Was a time not so long ago minimum wage was a negative number, when one or one's family paid skilled craftsmen to take on apprentices.

Seattle Common Core Math

zero skill sets + zero life experience + zero people skills + negative attitude = $15/hr

34 posted on 07/07/2014 4:23:13 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: SeekAndFind

what right does the city council of Seattle have to legislate wages?

The businesses have an equal right to bill the city for the excess paid over the existing wage.


35 posted on 07/07/2014 4:28:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: gleeaikin

How much does your boss, Mr. Soros make? How much does he pay you? Why should there be a discrepancy? Duh!


36 posted on 07/07/2014 4:34:08 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: MaxMax

what can they expect from a city that boasts a statue of Lenin?


37 posted on 07/07/2014 4:35:51 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: gleeaikin

Maybe fat Oprah can re-distribute her $3 BILLION to the poor?

Nahhh, those leftwing hypocrites keep their wealth they earned from free market capitalism while preaching socialism.


38 posted on 07/07/2014 4:41:37 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: All

When I was a kid I had a job on a construction painting crew, an American can’t get that job anymore in my city, because subcontractors that hire illegals underbid everybody else.

The same will happen with every job in Seattle, those businesses that survive will be staffed entirely by illegals.


39 posted on 07/07/2014 6:25:25 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: gleeaikin

RE: Walmart employees are getting significant Federal dollars in food stamps, and other payments because their wages are so low. Walmart’s CEO is paid $21 million.

Why isn’t it possible to DECREASE the equivalent amount in food stamps for the equivalent amount of dollar one earns at Wal-Mart? That would encourage more people to work and decrease the amount of money government has to spend as well.


40 posted on 07/07/2014 6:41:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: silverleaf

I want to see Seattle keep the $15 MW. It’s time for the people to see the results of liberal idiocy.


41 posted on 07/07/2014 11:15:13 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: gleeaikin

And if Walmart were regulated out of DC, many of these current employees would be earning $0.00 an hour, being total government dependents (food stamps, unemployment “insurance”, “disability” and welfare) and contributing nothing to the economy.


42 posted on 07/07/2014 4:20:13 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: garjog

You don’t have to tell me. I was there from 97 until 2006. I watched the very rapid descent into hell.

It’s a shame. I love the state, the PNW, and the people in most of the state (outside the major cities).

Bit I can’t stand the Seassholes, as I called them when I was there.


43 posted on 07/07/2014 8:02:11 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: octex; All

I will make a point of asking Walmart employees how much they are paid. Actually I believe, the median for Fortune 500 CEOs is below $21,000,000, possibly closer to $10 or $12 million. Google “Forbes CEO Compensation” for more facts.


44 posted on 07/08/2014 9:06:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: neocon1984; All

Don’t know, have been self employed since 1983. My main enemy is my local government.


45 posted on 07/08/2014 9:08:15 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SeekAndFind; All

I’m not sure I understand the concept you are suggesting. Companies like Walmart are already cutting back on hours, which means that families need food stamps to make up for the hours of pay lost.


46 posted on 07/08/2014 9:11:12 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Rainier1789; All

The problem with Walmart in DC is that they are using their business to force small businesses to fail, then buying up property of those failed businesses and making big real estate money on high rise development. Google “Walmart Realty”, read their mission statement and read between the lines.

For example I drove into the city and stopped at a hair supply store in a one story building across from a new Walmart. I asked if they had been affected by Walmart. They said their business was about the same, but they were furious that whereas before their customers could park in front, run in and pick up an order, now they had to park a block away, because Walmart had arranged to have parking on that side of the street eliminated, and moved across the street to the front of Walmart which already has lots of indoor parking. I then entered and talked with several other businesses and they said the lack of parking was going to destroy their lunch business.


47 posted on 07/08/2014 9:17:19 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I wasn’t talking about the CEOs on Wall Street. Here’s what I said: The CEO of the world’s largest retailer is making FAR less than many of the people on Wall Street!

Many of the traders on Wall St. pull in more income than the CEOs.

Also... I want to amend what I said about WalMart employees averaging over $15/hour. I believe the figure I read a couple of weeks ago was around $12.81 (which is still considerably higher than minimum wage).


48 posted on 07/08/2014 9:25:42 PM PDT by octex
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To: octex; All

An average of $12.81 includes higher paid managers. I’ve heard that low level workers often make $9 an hour and may work 30 hours or less. That would be $270 a week before FICA, federal and local taxes taken out. There might be places were that is a survivable wage, but not in DC or other urban areas.


49 posted on 07/09/2014 11:43:21 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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