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Islamic State seizes ex-chemical weapons facility near Baghdad
Stars and Stripes ^ | July 9, 2014 | Edith M. Lederer

Posted on 07/08/2014 10:15:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Iraq said the Islamic State extremist group has taken control of a vast former chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad, where 2,500 chemical rockets filled with the deadly nerve agent sarin or their remnants were stored along with other chemical warfare agents.

Iraq's U.N. ambassador, Mohamed Ali Alhakim, said in a letter to U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in a letter circulated Tuesday that "armed terrorist groups" entered the Muthanna site on June 11, detained officers and soldiers from the protection force guarding the facilities and seized their weapons. The following morning, the project manager spotted the looting of some equipment through the camera surveillance system before the "terrorists" disabled it, he said.

The Islamic State group, which controls parts of Syria, sent its fighters into neighboring Iraq last month and quickly captured a vast stretch of territory straddling the border between the two countries. Last week, its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, declared the establishment of an Islamic state, or caliphate, in the land the extremists control.

Alhakim said as a result of the takeover of Muthanna, Iraq is unable "to fulfil its obligations to destroy chemical weapons" because of the deteriorating security situation. He said it would resume its obligations "as soon as the security situation has improved and control of the facility has been regained."

Alhakim singled out the capture of bunkers 13 and 41 in the sprawling complex 35 miles northwest of Baghdad in the notorious "Sunni Triangle."

The last major report by U.N. inspectors on the status of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program was released about a year after the experts left in March 2003. It states that Bunker 13 contained 2,500 sarin-filled 122-mm chemical rockets produced and filled before 1991, and about 180 tons of sodium cyanide, "a very toxic chemical and a precursor for the warfare agent tabun."

The U.N. said the bunker was bombed during the first Gulf War in February 1991, which routed Iraq from Kuwait, and the rockets were "partially destroyed or damaged."

It said the sarin munitions were "of poor quality" and "would largely be degraded after years of storage under the conditions existing there." It said the tabun-filled containers were all treated with decontamination solution and likely no longer contain any agent, but "the residue of this decontamination would contain cyanides, which would still be a hazard."

According to the report, Bunker 41 contained 2,000 empty 155-mm artillery shells contaminated with the chemical warfare agent mustard, 605 one-ton mustard containers with residues, and heavily contaminated construction material. It said the shells could contain mustard residues which can't be used for chemical warfare but "remain highly toxic."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: isis; isiswithwmds; wmdsiniraq

1 posted on 07/08/2014 10:15:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; ...

Active Duty ping.


2 posted on 07/08/2014 10:16:31 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Good times.


3 posted on 07/08/2014 10:17:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Jet Jaguar

Hmmm, would these be considered those pesky WMDs Iraq did not have?


4 posted on 07/08/2014 10:18:40 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

These are chemical weapons. Not WMD.


5 posted on 07/08/2014 10:19:34 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

“could contain mustard residues which can’t be used for chemical warfare but remain highly toxic.”

Are these people retarded? Anything that is ‘highly toxic’ can be used for chemical warfare.


6 posted on 07/08/2014 10:21:34 PM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: Jet Jaguar

And chemical weapons can’t be WMD, tell that to the kurds.


7 posted on 07/08/2014 10:26:23 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: Viennacon
These are not toxic!


8 posted on 07/08/2014 10:27:19 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

WMD includes chemical weapons.


9 posted on 07/08/2014 10:34:12 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

See post 8


10 posted on 07/08/2014 10:37:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Jet Jaguar
These are chemical weapons. Not WMD.

Time to stop the lies. Thousands of people are endangered now. The new Islamic State and new Caliphate in the middle east has WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. And there is no way DC can sweep that under the carpet with high school progressive semantics.

11 posted on 07/08/2014 10:51:47 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

So in 2003, just before the US invaded with the support of John Kerry, John Edwards, and the Clintons, the UN stated that Bunker 13 contained 2,500 sarin-filled chemical rockets.

Isn’t nerve gas (sarin) a WMD? Doesn’t the anti-war crowd insist there were no WMDs? And why the hell would any Sarin or Tabun still be there 10 years later?


12 posted on 07/08/2014 10:54:00 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: Rainier1789

Post 8


13 posted on 07/08/2014 10:56:28 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: justa-hairyape

post 8.


14 posted on 07/08/2014 10:56:52 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: Rainier1789
And why the hell would any Sarin or Tabun still be there 10 years later?

Because the ISG sealed the entrance shut with concrete. And it was supposed to be guarded for decades. The real question is why did Obama remove US forces knowing these facilities could be overrun ?

15 posted on 07/08/2014 10:58:11 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Got ya. Good thing I cleaned up my response.


16 posted on 07/08/2014 10:58:46 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Viennacon

The shells are contaminated and therefore toxic, but the mustard residue can’t be dispersed like standard mustard gas.

Don’t lick the shells and you should be OK.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 11:06:39 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Jet Jaguar

Placemark


18 posted on 07/08/2014 11:10:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Jet Jaguar

There are no weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq.

Oh I guess they built them while we were there.

Yeah. THat makes sense.

Oh, well, we’re too busy now watching our own country be invaded to pay attention to this creation of a jihad state.


19 posted on 07/08/2014 11:11:34 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Jet Jaguar
More information on this story, for which I thank you. As I posted in another thread, if ISIS really wanted these sorts of weapons they just stole plenty of money to build them for themselves, which is much easier than attempting to scrounge them from a decade-old toxic waste dump.

The exception is VX. If that's involved all bets are off, but there is nothing in the news stories to suggest that it is. Perhaps no news is good news.

The irony is that after almost exactly a century of familiarity with these weapons, we've discovered their limitations - a force prepared with countermeasures is relatively safe - and their most effective use. That is as a weapon against an unprepared, i.e. civilian, population. That's what they're good for. They're terror weapons, they always were.

20 posted on 07/08/2014 11:12:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Jet Jaguar

Well, now I read through the thread. Oh, and the article.

Well I stand by my point that we’re too busy now with this new happy bo scandal/mess to pay attn. to the nightly news coming out of the ME

It’s not like we have Ted Koppell or anyone to keep us posted and apprised of details on ABC


21 posted on 07/08/2014 11:26:28 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Billthedrill
More information on this story, for which I thank you. As I posted in another thread, if ISIS really wanted these sorts of weapons they just stole plenty of money to build them for themselves, which is much easier than attempting to scrounge them from a decade-old toxic waste dump.

These are all cholinesterase inhibitors which is basically bug spray. Those used as weapons of war are uniquely designed to be lethal to mammals.

The point I am trying to make is if you have a factory that can make bug spray you have a factory that can make chemical agents that are particularly lethal to humans.

22 posted on 07/08/2014 11:49:50 PM PDT by cpdiii (deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist. The constitution is worth dying for!)
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To: cpdiii

I remember a thread back in ‘03 saying something about insecticide being found in missiles during the first few weeks of the invasion.


23 posted on 07/09/2014 12:58:41 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: lacrew

this


24 posted on 07/09/2014 2:08:57 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Whah?

Iraq ain’t got no weapons of mass destruction. ...


25 posted on 07/09/2014 2:12:43 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Jet Jaguar
>"Iraq said the Islamic State extremist group has taken control of a vast former chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad, where 2,500 chemical rockets filled with the deadly nerve agent sarin or their remnants were stored along with other chemical warfare agents."

Amazing!!!! Allah it took was some blood thirsty murder cultists to find the WMDs.

26 posted on 07/09/2014 2:51:21 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Jet Jaguar
These are chemical weapons. Not WMD.

WMD can be nuclear, radiological, or chemical. Biological weapons even seem to be dumped into the mix even though they have never been used on a large scale. We lump these weapons together as "CBRN."

I guess it's okay to talk about the WMD in Iraq now... we already took out Saddam Hussein, and there isn't much point in bashing Bush since he left office.

27 posted on 07/09/2014 3:40:54 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Headline should read, “WMD found in Iraq”


28 posted on 07/09/2014 4:37:55 AM PDT by IC Ken
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To: Jet Jaguar

Repeat after me...THERE WERE NEVER ANY WMDS IN IRA. ALL THE KURDISH WOMEN AND CHILDREN FELL OVER DEAD IN 1988 FROM A SEVERE CASE OF GOUT. LEFTISTS HAVE RELIABLY INFORMED US THAT SADDAM NEVER HAD ANY WMDS. AND LEFTISTS NEVER LIE. (smirk)


29 posted on 07/09/2014 5:43:20 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: All

So we are supposed to believe that these weapons have been lying around for more than a decade, with no effort to destroy them or clean up the site? And further that we would abandon the area, and entrust the security of these weapons to an Iraqi army that is known for it’s cowardice and ineffectiveness?

I just don’t believe it. I think it’s a ploy to cover ISIS. They can use these weapons now, and have a plausible excuse as to how they were acquired. ISIS is a creation of Obama, he armed and trained them, even if by proxy through the Gulf states.


30 posted on 07/09/2014 6:20:45 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Gunpowder green

I wonder if this sarin matches the signature of the stuff used in Damascus?


31 posted on 07/09/2014 6:22:03 AM PDT by Gunpowder green
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To: Jet Jaguar

/sarc tag in order...

You had to know you were opening a sh*tstorm there... :^)


32 posted on 07/09/2014 8:45:49 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

What???!!! They found WMDs????

hehe


33 posted on 07/09/2014 8:51:16 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: cpdiii
The point I am trying to make is if you have a factory that can make bug spray you have a factory that can make chemical agents that are particularly lethal to humans.

Precisely. We found a good deal of organic phosphates stored in the middle of Iraqi ammunition dumps, which strikes me as a very odd place for insecticide. The media continue stoutly to insist that it was all innocent. The media lie.

34 posted on 07/09/2014 8:54:38 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

VX is a short range weapon, though, a local weapon
you cannot disperse it to kill all the people it could kill, it will dissipate

still, kill all who get it but, short range, short effective dispersement

the value of these is a a residue bomb, tied to an explosive, to kill those who arent killed by shrapnel or first responders who come aftter the large first blast

like a nuclear dirty bomb

still effective, but unable to be dispersed as designed

only 50 yard radius instead of 200 yards wide

like that matters to the people it hits...


35 posted on 07/09/2014 12:00:36 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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