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Sheriff's deputy will NOT be charged for shooting dead 13-year-old child.
Associated Press and Daily Mail Reporter ^ | Updated: 10:09 EST, 8 July 2014 | Staff

Posted on 07/11/2014 11:34:04 PM PDT by Rabin

Sonoma County Sheriff's Deputy Erick Gelhaus shouted then shot (dead 13-year-old Andy Lopez on October 22, 2013), Eric fired eight rounds. The hit / miss order can never be known. What is known is that Andy had failed to orange tip the bb-gun and that he never returned fire. Forensic indicate the 73 lb. perp took three 44 hollow points in the back and right side (falling?) plus four horizontals, head , neck lower...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: California
KEYWORDS: andylopez; donutwatch; gelhaus; lopez; ravitch; sanoma
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To: ltc8k6

The criticism is that the cops didn’t give the kid a chance to try and obey a lawfully given order. The cops gave the order and basically started unloading their weapons within a couple of seconds after the order. I’ve been yelled at by cops and I can tell you that it can take a second or two to process what you are being told to do, especially if you didn’t see the cops beforehand.

If the kid had raised the gun, apparently with the intent to fire, I wouldn’t be criticizing the cops. However, the kid knew he only had a pellet gun so it’s unlikely that he would have done that.


21 posted on 07/12/2014 12:58:38 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

I agree with you. Cops are being trained as if our cities and towns are war zones and civilians are the enemies.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 1:02:17 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: roadcat

If cops can talk a gun-wielding mass murderer into surrendering, then why not negotiate with a 13-year-old who is not suspected of any crime?

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We’re on the same wavelength!! I read that and thought the exact same thing. Also, another incident occurred some months earlier in Fountaingrove, a swanky area not too far from the more rural neighborhood where Lopez was shot. A man had actually fired shots and was threatening people, but the police took several hours and talked him down. Story here: http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20131010/articles/131019998

Now, two different sets of cops were involved. But the Santa Rosa cops took the time to make it all come out the best they could. Deputy Jumpy, in the Sheriff’s dept, just wanted a kill, if you ask me. (The other deputy did not fire any shots.) And this isn’t the first time the Sheriff’s dept. has had unnecessary kills. Oh, and just to make it all cozy, the D.A. and the Sheriff are apparently BFF’s. She was the introductory speaker at a big fundraiser for him. So she’s clearly, like, completely unbiased.


23 posted on 07/12/2014 1:02:24 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Rabin

An AK round will not be stopped by a car door, so you have no cover, and can take less chances, if you are a cop facing an AK.

Witness #4 stated that he drove by the kid moments before and warned the kid about the police coming up behind him, and told the kid to throw the rifle away. The kid paid no attention.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 1:09:05 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Jonty30

Can’t wait to see if it’s a real AK when you have no cover.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 1:10:22 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

The cops were behind their cruiser doors when they gave the order. Few people are so good a shot that they can shoot accurately just by turning around and cocking their weapon.


26 posted on 07/12/2014 1:13:32 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ltc8k6

So the police should shoot on sight any armed civilian?

The cop is guilty of murder in reality even if the “justice system” lets cops off.


27 posted on 07/12/2014 1:18:41 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: ltc8k6

This is an article about the “unbiased” “scientist” the D.A.’s office used to justify this shooting:

http://www.citypages.com/2010-04-28/news/bill-lewinski-defends-cops-accused-of-excessive-force/
Bill Lewinski defends cops accused of excessive force


28 posted on 07/12/2014 1:22:07 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are no 11 round .44 pistols on the market.


29 posted on 07/12/2014 1:32:00 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: hoosierham

Given the report, the evidence, and the witnesses, no grand jury would indict, and no trial jury would convict, imo.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 1:37:02 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Well, no one was shot in the back this case.


31 posted on 07/12/2014 1:38:07 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Jonty30

Well, you go ahead and wait then, I wouldn’t. You can certainly make your own decision.


32 posted on 07/12/2014 1:39:23 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Spktyr

“There are no 11 round .44 pistols on the market.”

I think that was a joke regarding the original post.

There were no .44 caliber pistols involved in the story.

My guess is that the Daily Mail article was corrected.


33 posted on 07/12/2014 1:43:08 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

So it’s ok to kill anyone carrying an ak? What about an ar? What about a deer rifle?


34 posted on 07/12/2014 2:19:53 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Greysard

“Isn’t it curious.....”

We need “Like” and “Share” buttons for posts like yours.

These are my exact sentiments, and I’m sure there are many others who think the same way. But more people need to get the message; the cops’ ROE and the military’s ROE are backwards.


35 posted on 07/12/2014 2:24:16 AM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: Still Thinking

Sorry. I understand now.


36 posted on 07/12/2014 2:29:04 AM PDT by DB
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To: ltc8k6

Given the report, the evidence, and the witnesses, no grand jury would indict, and no trial jury would convict, imo.

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You may well be right. However, it’s my contention that the D.A. should have turned the whole thing over to another agency (as she was asked to, but refused) given her well-known cozy relationship with local LEOs, specifically the Sheriff.


37 posted on 07/12/2014 2:32:32 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: ltc8k6

There was a time when officers put the safety of the public before their own. It was considered part of the job.

Not anymore.

Consider what would happen to you if you were the one who killed this kid because you thought he “had a gun”?

Why are you held to a higher standard than the police?


38 posted on 07/12/2014 2:37:23 AM PDT by DB
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To: ltc8k6

I bet you believe all those reports that the Obama administration puts out about how they investigate themselves and find nothing wrong,too.


39 posted on 07/12/2014 2:50:15 AM PDT by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: ltc8k6; Jonty30
Well, you go ahead and wait then, I wouldn’t. You can certainly make your own decision.

Seriously? You would murder a child in cold blood rather than wait to find out if he was actually a threat? At least it's okay with you that Jonty30 wouldn't stoop to that level. This is not the difference between butter pecan and strawberry ice cream. All choices are not valid.

40 posted on 07/12/2014 3:04:04 AM PDT by BykrBayb (World Lung Cancer Day {WLCD} Aug 1 https://facebook.com/events/309580722464921 ~ Þ)
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