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Where Cruz, Rubio, and Paul Stand on the Unaccompanied-Minors Crisis
National Journal ^ | July 10, 2014 | Michael Catalini

Posted on 07/12/2014 1:41:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

A trio of potential Republican presidential candidates in the Senate is rebuffing President Obama over the influx of children from Central America across the southern border.

But even as Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas, Rand Paul of Kentucky, and Marco Rubio of Florida blame Obama, there are differences among their critiques.

Cruz took perhaps the boldest swipes at the president and his request for $3.7 billion in emergency funding to address the issue. Cruz was also the only one of the group to speak on the floor this week.

Paul remained mostly quiet, having published an op-ed during the Independence Day holiday that criticized the country's immigration policy broadly but did not directly address the minors streaming across the border. He's also withholding comment on the president's funding request until there is written legislation, according to spokesman Sergio Gor.

Rubio, who finds himself in perhaps the most awkward position because he supported the Senate's immigration bill last year, defended his position while jabbing at Obama.

Here's a look at the where the senators stand on the issue:

Cruz: "Of the president's own making."

Cruz took the president on directly, blaming him for the influx of children, which he said could top 90,000 by the end of the year.

"This is a humanitarian disaster, but it is a disaster of the president's own making," Cruz said Wednesday. "It is a disaster that is a direct consequence of President Obama's lawlessness."

He dismissed the president's $3.7 billion request and said it would not solve the problem. He instead suggested that "boots on the ground" would stem the tide of children crossing the border.

"This is an HHS social-services bill," Cruz said of the president's supplemental request.

Cruz also compared the request to the $800 billion economic stimulus bill in 2009, saying it was sold to the public as a jobs bill but that the so-called shovel-ready jobs did not materialize as promised. In this case, the administration claims the funding request is for border security, yet much of the money goes to the Health and Human Services Department, Cruz argued.

Paul: "Beacon to all of Central America."

Echoing the language he used in an op-ed last week on Breitbart.com, Paul told reporters in Kentucky—without getting specific—that he backs some forms of forgiveness but that he thinks the border should be secure first.

"Now that's become a beacon to all of Central America because we didn't secure the border," he said, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader. "So if you don't secure the border and you offer these things of reform and forgiveness, many of which I'm for, but if you don't secure the border, then you get this humanitarian crisis and the whole world thinks they can come and no one's stopping them."

Rubio: "Take care of them as ... humanely as possible … but they do need to be returned."

Rubio defended his vote on the immigration bill by pointing out that neither the legislation nor current law allows the children to stay in the country. Like Cruz, he criticized the administration's funding request and pointed out that the lion's share of it goes toward HHS, with too little going to secure the border.

"We need to apply the law, we need to take care of them as … humanely as possible while they are here but they do need to be returned and reunited with their families in their home country, because that's the law of the country," Rubio said in an interview with Hot Air. "If you don't enforce the law you are creating an incentive for people trying to come here."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cruz; tedcruz

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"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792

 

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1 posted on 07/12/2014 1:41:41 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie; notaliberal; DoughtyOne; RitaOK; MountainDad; aposiopetic; crazycatlady; ...
Ted Cruz Ping!

If you want on/off this ping list, please let me know.

Please beware, this is a high-volume ping list!
2 posted on 07/12/2014 1:42:05 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Build the FENCE!


3 posted on 07/12/2014 1:44:42 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Build the FENCE!


4 posted on 07/12/2014 1:49:55 PM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: pfony1

Build the FENCE!


5 posted on 07/12/2014 1:53:06 PM PDT by deport
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To: SoConPubbie

Rubio’s answer was pretty good, too. Rand Paul’s was somewhat baffling and confusing, but it sounded like he’d be doing something.


6 posted on 07/12/2014 1:53:15 PM PDT by grania
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To: All
2016 wannabe Perry figured he was gonna make points meeting Obama in Texas.

What did you tell Obama when you greeted him in Texas, Rickie?

Perry's all hat and no cattle....he will soon find out
what happens when one stupidly consorts with The Prince.

7 posted on 07/12/2014 1:55:48 PM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: grania

Paul’s position, as described here, was awful. Rubio’s was better, but insufficient

Ted Cruz 2016


8 posted on 07/12/2014 1:58:48 PM PDT by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: deport
Build the fence is a nice idea until you realize that the Feds are providing the Entrance roada and Homeland Security is escorting them from there. In other words, these folks are under Federal Protection.

Thank you Mr. Obama.

My suggestion...Close the border Permanently! No one goes in and no one goes out.

9 posted on 07/12/2014 2:01:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SoConPubbie

It is time to start shouting proudly about America’s need to teach our socialist brothers in Central America about how to practice “Truth, Justice and The American Way” in THEIR countries.

Need “prosperity? Adopt American Capitalism! Chile did. Chile is rich now. Argentina did not. Argentina is now one step away from “Law of the Jungle”.

Need “security”? Adopt American government as it was before “the Chicago Way” bullied its way into our WH.

Tired of drug dealers? I’d say use “Turkish” methods to “catch” but NOT “release”...


10 posted on 07/12/2014 2:02:08 PM PDT by pfony1 (Add just 6 GOP Senators and we "bury" Harry)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yep as long as they are allowed in we have problems. What I’m not sure of is
how to tackle the entire issue.

Once they cross the midpoint of the Rio Grande whether wading, swimming, boat,
or bridge they are in the US, state of Texas. If you bring them on shore and into
a facility then you have to do something with them.

I guess if you had a strong and sufficient enough border barrier then the roads
or crossing points could be the focus. Then just refuse to let them enter but
we are years away from such a system if we ever get it.


11 posted on 07/12/2014 2:13:17 PM PDT by deport
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To: Liz

Like the man or not, your description of Perry “consorting” with Obama in Texas is ludicrous in the extreme.

Also, you need to figure out your antagonists. Your second pic Is of Paul Ryan.


12 posted on 07/12/2014 2:14:53 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

Actually I thought Perry got Obama pretty good. I rolled on the floor when Rick told him we could show him how to protect the border with the Guard. We know how he said. Loved that for that egotistical ###.


13 posted on 07/12/2014 2:21:44 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: John Valentine

I thought the 2nd picture was Eric Cantor?


14 posted on 07/12/2014 2:29:42 PM PDT by Andy'smom (How many more acts of love can we take?)
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To: John Valentine

“Your second pic is of Paul Ryan”

Man, I thought I was seeing things so I am glad you posted. I thought it was Ryan or Cantor.

Actually, I think the Perry/Obama meeting was more “contentious” than “consorting”.


15 posted on 07/12/2014 2:33:42 PM PDT by berdie
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To: John Valentine
You need to figure out a few things---

The second pic is ex-House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va)_---34 points ahead in the polls---dumped by the voters.

16 posted on 07/12/2014 2:37:57 PM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: SoConPubbie
“Those words, ‘temperate and moderate’, are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.”

Thomas Paine, letter to the addressers on the late proclamation against seditious writings; in Moncure D. Conway, ed., The Writings of Thomas Paine (1895), vol. 3, p. 94–95.

17 posted on 07/12/2014 2:38:13 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: berdie
Actually, I think the Perry/Obama meeting was more “contentious” than “consorting”.

Yep. Perry has been doing a lot better on the immigration problem lately. He had Hannity down there for two days and is probably going to host CongressCritters soon.

18 posted on 07/12/2014 2:43:12 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: Liz

I agree with you. Obama played him. He got his photo op. Only it was a different airport. Then the picture of everyone but Perry laughing was exactly what Obama wanted people to see.


19 posted on 07/12/2014 2:55:37 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: sefarkas
I have scanned the entire three parts of "Age of Reason" but cannot find this exact quote or anything like it.
20 posted on 07/12/2014 2:57:49 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Paul told reporters in Kentucky—without getting specific—that he backs some forms of forgiveness “

Paul outed himself as an Amnesty Pimp some time ago.

And Rubio left no doubt about it when he joined the gang of eight amnesty pushers and revealed himself to be a latino first.


21 posted on 07/12/2014 3:00:52 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: SoConPubbie

Our country is being invaded.

Our Commander in Chief refuses to protect us.


22 posted on 07/12/2014 3:04:04 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: SoConPubbie

Like Cruz and Rubio.


23 posted on 07/12/2014 3:07:04 PM PDT by ZULU ("Show me the man and I will find you the crime" - Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yes, a fence is needed but it won’t solve the problem.

Deportation the only thing that gets rid of illegals.

Some GOPe hacks will support building a fence but they will still vote for amnesty for illegals who get past the border. Don’t let them fool you.


24 posted on 07/12/2014 3:08:58 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham

First things first.

Get the fence.

Then we’ll talk about ANYTHING else.

Personally, I think we have plenty of laws already. (We even have a ‘build the fence’ law.)

So, build the fence.


25 posted on 07/12/2014 3:21:58 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: sefarkas
I found it in "Letter addressed to the addressers, on the late proclamation" on page 40.

Who are those that are frightened at reforms? Are the public afraid that their taxes should be lessened too much? Are they afraid that sinecure [sp?] places and pensions should be abolished too fast? Are [they so ???] afraid that their condition should be rendered too comfortable? Is the worn-out mechanic, or the aged and decayed tradesman, frightened at the prospect of receiving ten pounds a year out of the surplus taxes? Is the soldier frightened at the thoughts of his discharge, and three shillings per week during life? Is the sailor afraid that press-warrants will be abolished? The Society mistakes the fears of borough-mongers, placemen, and pensioners, for the fears of the people; and the temperate and moderate Reform it talks of, is calculated to suit the condition of the former.

Those words, "temperate and moderate," are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is a species of vice. But who is to be the judge of what is a temperate and moderate Reform? the Society is the representative of nobody; neither can the unrepresented part of the nation commit this power to those in Parliament, in whole election they had no choice; and, therefore, even upon the ground the society has taken, recourse must be had to a National Convention.

26 posted on 07/12/2014 3:53:53 PM PDT by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rubio wrote and pushed the last Senate illegal alien amnesty...so he pretty much supports Air Obama...contrary to what he says

Randmesty is even worse

Cruz is better...but will he commit to 100% Deportation? If it isn’t 100% Deportation, its Amnesty


27 posted on 07/12/2014 4:03:13 PM PDT by DisorderOnBorder (Haley Barbour rather work for drug cartels than Americans)
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To: John Valentine

“Your second pic Is of Paul Ryan.”

That’s Eric Cantor in the 2nd pic.


28 posted on 07/12/2014 4:14:21 PM PDT by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: Liz

Perry was pretty impressive briefing Sean Hannity about his border operations on Fox the other night. Very hands on with the border operators (warfare) guys.


29 posted on 07/12/2014 5:08:09 PM PDT by sgtyork (Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy)
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To: ZULU

Go, Ted, GO. He is qualified to be President on so many levels. Most of all, he’s been fighting for us. He stands up and speaks out, oh so eloquently, for the Constitution, our liberty and freedom. He can get in your face if he chooses, or knock you out with facts. And he doesn’t use a teleprompter.


30 posted on 07/12/2014 5:12:33 PM PDT by itssme
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To: toldyou

I think you’re right!


31 posted on 07/12/2014 7:36:31 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: xzins

“First things first.’

I’m all for doing first things first. And that first thing has to help solve the problem, not provide a feel-good cover for BS artists of the GOPe.

What is the border fence going to do about the 40% of illegals who come here with visas that they then overstay?

Nothing. Nothing at all.

What will the fence do about the 20-30 million illegals already in the USA?

Nothing. Nothing since they are already here.

Eisenhower knew something about getting things done. He took care of a previous illegal immigration invasion by deportation.

That is the first thing that needs doing.

Squawking about a Fence just gives cover to the phonies and frauds within the GOPe who can build a fence while not doing one damned thing to remove the millions of illegals already here. Millions of illegals that they intend to grant amnesty to.


32 posted on 07/12/2014 10:40:27 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: SoConPubbie

Cruz’s opinion is the only one that should be trusted here.


33 posted on 07/12/2014 10:53:14 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Pelham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback


34 posted on 07/12/2014 10:58:01 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Baladas

Overall, there were 1,078,168 apprehensions made in the first year of Operation Wetback, with 170,000 being captured from May to July 1954.[36]


35 posted on 07/12/2014 10:59:01 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Pelham

There are already laws against overstaying a visa. There are already laws to track that information. There are already laws to deport illegals. There are already laws to prevent access to social services.

Nope.

The first step is that double fence, with high tech no-man’s land in between and regular patrols.


36 posted on 07/13/2014 2:58:30 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Hattie
Rick told him we could show him how to protect the border with the Guard. We know how he said.

Then he should do it, he has the Constitutional authority to defend his state from invasion, maybe he just doesn't want to pay for it.

We have way too many weak sister republican governors that refuse to assert their authority, because of that, I fear the Republic is lost.

37 posted on 07/13/2014 12:33:52 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Pelham
Squawking about a Fence just gives cover to the phonies and frauds within the GOPe



100% Absolutely Correct!

38 posted on 07/13/2014 12:37:50 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: Rome2000

I like Ike....


39 posted on 07/13/2014 4:19:41 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: xzins; itsahoot; Rome2000

Congress funded the fence during Bush 43’s administration.

Do you see a fence? Of course not. Good GOPe political hack that he is, Bush 43 wanted Amnesty and not a fence.

And the Republican majority in Congress did nothing to make him obey the law and the will of the American people.

Obama isn’t the first President to believe that he is above the law. To believe that he can ignore laws that conflict with what he likes. Dubya did exactly that in his refusal to deport illegal aliens. And now Obama is exploiting the problem that Dubya let fester for 8 years.

What I DON’T want is “build the fence first”.

I want Deportation First, because that’s what removes illegal aliens back to their home countries. Deportation is ONLY way that Californian’s get their State back.

GOPe frauds are more than happy to chirp about building a fence. Hell, they will even eventually get around to building a fence at some point.

They’ll wave to nice shiny border fence as if they have done something about the 3rd world tsunami flooding the country.

But they’ll build a fence and and have Amnesty too. They’ll deport no one. The GOPe is fine with helping transform the USA into a Latin American country.

They have no allegiance to America’s culture or people. They will sell it out for their personal gain, they have been doing exactly that for years.

Their sole allegiance is to their short term political advantage.


40 posted on 07/13/2014 4:47:11 PM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: Pelham
Good GOPe political hack that he is, Bush 43 wanted Amnesty and not a fence.

You and I are in agreement.

If I recall correctly, GW was trying desperately to give unrestricted access to our highways by Mexican trucks, before he left office. I was never a GW fan and took heat over the years for pointing out he was not a conservative.

41 posted on 07/14/2014 1:32:08 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: FR_addict; ntnychik; potlatch
Steve King is working with a cohort in the Senate to pass a bill to help Perry address the problem--the strategy endruns Reid. King didn't name his Senate partner but it would be Ted Cruz from the action profiles of the two.
42 posted on 07/14/2014 1:39:17 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: PhilDragoo

“....Steve King is working with a cohort in the Senate to pass a bill to help Perry address the problem...”

right....and by the time it’s even passed...if it even makes it to the floor...these characters will have been already been “distributed” throughout the US.


43 posted on 07/14/2014 1:48:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: SoConPubbie

Rand Paul loves amnesty so no thanks.

Cruz answered well and I trust him to keep his word.

Rubio answered ok but I don’t trust him. I can see him changing his mind down the line, going back on his word and making a deal to let them all stay, give them welfare benefits plus bring in more. So no thanks.


44 posted on 07/14/2014 2:03:20 AM PDT by Waryone
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To: Pelham; jazusamo; P-Marlowe; itsahoot; Rome2000
What I DON’T want is “build the fence first”. I want Deportation First, because that’s what removes illegal aliens back to their home countries. Deportation is ONLY way that Californian’s get their State back. GOPe frauds are more than happy to chirp about building a fence. Hell, they will even eventually get around to building a fence at some point.

So, you have no faith that GOP frauds will build a fence, but you do think they will deport?

Deportation is nothing more than a fancy even in the best of times. It is not a wall, it is not an obstacle, it is not anything other than an idea.

Get a fence, and at least you have a double-tiered barrier with high tech no man's land in between.

If I want to protect my property being torn up by four-wheelers, do I want gates and a fence, or do I want a notice in the paper not to four-wheel on my property?

45 posted on 07/14/2014 2:58:08 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
So, you have no faith that GOP frauds will build a fence, but you do think they will deport?

Nope, I don't think they will do either. What did I say that would make you think I believed such a thing.

Our elected officials of both parties have been openly participating in the fundamental transformation of our country.

A fence is a good thing but it does nothing to solve the problem because they come around, over and under it now without consequence.

What is the result of placing border guards near the border where illegals merely surrender to the authority and demand their legal rights, where they will be released on their own recognizance never to be seen again.

The cultural destruction of our nation can not be the consequence of stupid politicians, it is a well executed plan.

46 posted on 07/14/2014 8:57:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: xzins

“So, you have no faith that GOP frauds will build a fence, but you do think they will deport? “

No, I have zero faith in the GOPe and I know that they won’t deport illegal aliens. I consider them to be every bit the enemy of the American people as the Obama Democrats, whom they collude with. They push Amnesty at every opportunity and will not stop.

“Deportation is nothing more than a fancy even in the best of times. “

President Eisenhower. General Swing. Operation Wetback.

“Get a fence, and at least you have a double-tiered barrier with high tech no man’s land in between. “

I’m all for building a fence. But it’s not a cure and it’s not the first importance. It will do nothing about the approx 30 million illegals already here.

I do not want people to be fooled by “build the Fence first and then we’ll talk”, something that GOP sockpuppet Hannity endlessly repeats. That is a GOPe talking point designed to fool voters into accepting two-stage Amnesty.

A border fence removes no illegals from America. California is essentially an occupied country and if illegals are not removed that cancer will spread. If you think that California’s collapse doesn’t affect the rest of the country you are seriously mistaken. Nothing short of deporting millions of illegals will change that.


47 posted on 07/14/2014 10:28:17 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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