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To: Tailgunner Joe

The problem has been the focus on irrelevant arguments – some of which are actually unsupported by the evidence.

1. ‘George Zimmerman (GZ) racially profiled Trayvon Martin (TM)’ There is no evidence of this.

2. ‘GZ disobeyed an order by the police’ * The civilian dispatcher, Sean Noffke, testified that he did not give GZ an order and, in fact, he, like his fellow dispatchers, are trained not make comments that sound like commands. * Noffke also testified under cross that, as a result of his asking GZ which way TM was going, GZ could have reasonably interpreted this as being asked to follow Martin. * It is also not a crime in Florida to disregard a comment made by a civilian dispatcher.

3. ‘GZ got out of his car’ Not a crime on public property and not negligent either.

4. ‘GZ followed TM’ Again, anyone can follow anyone on a public street unless the followee has obtained a restraining order against the follower and even there, the RS only places time, place, and manner restrictions on the person enjoined.

5. ‘GZ wasn’t really injured’ * Under Florida’s self-defense laws, one doesn’t have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony.

6. ‘TM is dead through no fault of his own’ * If you believe that TM assaulted GZ, then he IS dead as a result of his own actions.

7. ‘GZ could have left’ * Under Florida law, there is not a duty to withdraw rather than use deadly force * TM was straddling GZ so how the latter was supposed to leave the scene is unanswered.

8. ‘GZ was armed and TM wasn’t’ * One’s fists can be considered weapons and can result in severe bodily harm or death. * GZ was legally carrying a weapon * There is no requirement under the law that the same weapon be used by the assailant * A homeowner can kill an intruder whether or not he has been threatened * Those that attack cannot feign surprise if they are met with superior firepower.

9. ‘Stand Your Ground!’ * SYG is NOT at issue in this trial. * The defense is a classic self-defense case.

10. ‘Black men NEVER get to use SYG!’ * Wrong http://tinyurl.com/nboht35

11. ‘GZ is a man and TM was a boy!’ * As if ‘boys’ don’t commit murder, rape, and assault everyday in this country.


2 posted on 07/13/2014 4:09:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never let the truth get in the way of good propaganda.


7 posted on 07/13/2014 4:16:07 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

> 1. ‘George Zimmerman (GZ) racially profiled Trayvon Martin (TM)’ There is no evidence of this.

And what is wrong with racially profiling someone who looks out of place in a neighborhood where there has been an increase in burglarize espeially when he matches the profile of a particular type that is well inn to engage in said type of behavior? That same type of “discriminatory” behavior keeps police offices alive everyday when they avoid bad situations by making snap decisions about a particular type of person they’ve had bad encounters with before. It’s call experience and the PC crowd don’t like it because it’s based on truth something that liars can’t stand.


10 posted on 07/13/2014 4:21:58 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
5. ‘GZ wasn’t really injured’ * Under Florida’s self-defense laws, one doesn’t have to be injured AT ALL to use deadly force * No one is required to refrain from defending himself while another is engaged in or attempting to commit a felony.

Then what was all that blood on his head ?

30 posted on 07/13/2014 5:04:27 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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8. GZ was armed and TM wasn't

TM was trying to grab GZ's gun. A few more seconds and GZ would have been dead from a shot fired from his own gun. Of course the media incessantly referred to TM as "unarmed."

37 posted on 07/13/2014 7:54:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And re: your #11, recall too that GZ is a 5’ 9”(?) ~170lb man, while TM was a 6’ 2”, ~180lb “boy” (that number is based on the cops estimate, which they entered into the report at the time). Zimmerman had lost a lot of weight, and was fairly out of shape and still pretty doughy, while TM had recently left the football squad at his school, and was in prime physical condition.


39 posted on 07/13/2014 8:12:36 PM PDT by Little Pig
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