Skip to comments.Crew members of An-26 established contact with the General Staff....
Posted on 07/14/2014 6:27:19 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
Minister of Defense Valeriy Heletey reported to President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko that crew members of An-26 that had been fulfilling the task within the active phase of the CTO had established contact with the General Staff.
Also, given the fact that the plane was going at a height of 6500 m, its damaging by MANPADS was impossible. Thus, the plane was downed by another, more powerful missile weapon that probably was used from the territory of the Russian Federation.
Currently, SAR mission is being conducted to deliver the crew of the plane to the territory controlled by Ukrainian servicemen.
20,000. I wonder if Putin has an airliner on his terrorist to do checklist?
IF they are telling the truth, 6500 meters would be too high for most, but not all, MANPADS. And if they are shading the altitude by 1000 meters, it would be within range of several.
For the FIFTH TIME, it was likely shot down by a Buk-M1, that the rebels captured when they overran the Heavy AA regiment HQ in Donetsk several weeks ago. There are Strel-10’s, as well.
If the Russians had done it, they wouldn’t be shy to say so, at ALL...
Seriously, why do you persist with this line?
~20,000. I wonder if Putin has an airliner on his terrorist to do checklist?~
Ukrainian Air Farce already has a Russian Israel-bound airliner on it’s list by the way.
For the FIFTH TIME, it was likely shot down by a Buk-M1, that the rebels captured when they overran the Heavy AA regiment HQ in Donetsk several weeks ago. There are Strel-10s, as well.
If the Russians had done it, they wouldnt be shy to say so, at ALL...
Seriously, why do you persist with this line?
It took the Russian Ground Forces, a foreign invader, to repair the SAM systems the A-1402 anti-aircraft missile defense regiment disabled when their unit was being surrounded and captured by invading Russian mercenaries, who are unlawful combatants. So, either way, Putin’s Russian Ground Forces, air forces, and irregular terrorist forces are responsible for the causing the death and destruction in the Ukraine, whether they did so from inside the Ukraine or from inside Russia.
The Ukrainian aircraft was shot down by a Russian SAM or AIM from inside Russia or from within the Ukraine, but it was an illegal Russian attack in any event.
that’s one rough looking rig. Dnepr? The sidecar would be worth bucks here...
You and the other Kiev trolls try SO HARD to control the language of this, and I just won’t accept that premise.
It is a CIVIL WAR, one we wouldn’t even be talking about had the government not fell in a violent coup.
Seems like a 1970s Ural to me.
“You and the other Kiev trolls try SO HARD to control the language of this, and I just wont accept that premise.”
There is nothing hard about this topic. You lied when you claimed the video showed the Ukrainian An-26 was shot down at low altitudes. The evidentiary proof of your lies is in the video. You were simply too ignorant about aviation and too stupid in your dishonesty to realize the high altitude Cirrus clouds in the video would provide proof positive that you were propagating lies to defend the indefensible criminal acts of Russia and its leader, Putin. Now you want to create arguments galore about every other topic in the world, engage in inappropriate mockery, stamp your little feet, and basically throw a tantrum to direct attention away from how you lied to promote Russia’s false propaganda. Unfortunately for you, your brutish tantrums simply are not working. You got caught telling lies on behalf of criminals.
“It is a CIVIL WAR, one we wouldnt even be talking about had the government not fell in a violent coup.”
You lie, lie, lie, and lie to coverup one lie after another lie. Russia invaded the Ukraine. Russia is a foreign nation with respect to the Ukrainian citizens regardless of their spoken language or ethnicity. Russia has employed current and former Russian soldiers to invade another nation, the Ukraine, and masquerade as Ukrainian citizens, which they most certainly are not. Therefore Russia is invading Ukraine, and the Russian invasion of the Ukraine is a violation of just about every international law regarding such matters. Your persistent lies in defense of these looters, torturers, kidnappers of children, murderers, and unlawful mercenaries puts you into a category of the most vile excuses for humanity along with them. This is also why regardless of the participation of any Ukrainian citizens, the Russian military forces in the Ukraine are invaders conducting an invasion. The Ukrainian citizens participating in this Russian invasion are treasonous collaborators with a foreign invader, so this conflict is not a civil war because of the Russian invasion. In other words, your lips are moving again and your lies are spilling past them.
Another lie is the claim that the government of the Ukraine fell in a violent coup. The government of the Ukraine did not fall, because the elected legislature of the Ukraine is the government of the Ukraine. The fact that Yanukovych abandoned his office and duties and defected to a hostile foreign nation to escape criminal prosecution for his manifold crimes of the greatest enormity, including political murder and assassination, did not constitute a coup. So, you were simply promoting more lies to defame the murdered victims of the Russian subversions of the Ukrainian governmental institutions and leaders. Such gross lies and defamations put you in the same class of apologists as those of the NAZI regime of Germany and Stalin’s even more murderous Communist regime.
So, despite your efforts to argue about the events in Kiev and everything else you can dream up as a distraction, this brings us back to the original topic of the Ukrainian AN-26 and how you lied about it not being at high altitude when the Russians shot it down.
Lies aren't a problem for the Kiev Kiddies but the Germans and other Europeans are starting to see through the lies which means Kiev is going to screw up big time real soon and no amount of lying will be able to hide the fact that Kiev has been telling a lot of lies ever since the coup.
The militias in the East bragged about and put out videos of their capturing the Strel-10s but the Ukraine Army said they weren't in working condition.
Now, to save face and hide the fact that they don't even have the brains to blow up the equipment they abandon, they have to lie. It's that simple, the Ukraine Army is in desperate straits internally and desperate leaders will always lie to save face.
Captured Pilot of downed AN-26 interviewed by Russian LifeNews
So much for that 21,000 ft BS ....
I don't doubt the 21,000 is bogus anyway since one of the Kiev sources, a newspaper as I recall, said it was at 6500 feet and the 21,000 was reported a good while later. Meaning, of course, enough later for the propaganda bureau to have worked up the latest BS to accuse Russia of and woven that into the story simply calling the 6500 feet 6500 meters so it turns into roughly 21,000 feet for US consumption. Typical sleight of hand.
After all, for European consumption and within Ukraine, altitudes are always stated in meters and pilots are told to stay at two thousand meters above the hight points in the terrain to avoid MANPADS when dropping supplies or for entry and egress during ground attacks.
I notice there's not any upset over Ukraine Army units firing on a Russian city, too. Is firing on Russian cities just par for the Kiev Kiddies course now that they're so desperate to have someone bail their butts out by sending troops so they won't have to deal with Western Ukraine being in an uproar as well?
Talk about provocations, how about demanding Russia secure it's border with more border troops then screaming about Russian moving troops to the border and shelling a Russian city some of the said additional troops are pass through as they're deployed.
Altitude is not the main factor.
Unlike Manpads, featuring relatively small warhead and hitting mostly engine exhaust (leaving a fuselage of multi-engined planes mostly intact), stationary SAMs’ missiles are much larger and more lethal, and as far as these are radar-guided, hitting aircraft center-mass.
By default there would the a mix of flesh, shredded metal=no survivors available for interview.
FYI, having worked on software for SAMs and having studied a bit of software taken from Soviet SAM systems not all that long ago, I'm well aware of the size and nature of such beasties. Seeing the video makes it clear to me the missile was directly underneath or nearly directly underneath the aircraft when the target was initially acquired. That rules out the weapon having been fired from within Russia unless the aircraft was flying over Russia when acquired.
Come up with any sort of theory that fits your agenda, though, I'd expect nothing less.
nail....hammer...head. tcrlaf must hold the record for most lies on FR.
It is a CIVIL WAR, one we wouldnt even be talking about had the government not fell in a violent coup.
“You lie, lie, lie, and lie to coverup one lie after another lie”
The Red Cross, the acknowledged International Arbiter
of such things, doesn’t agree with you. And yes, this is a big deal.
Seems that you owe me a rather large apology.
Ukraine in civil war: Red Cross
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