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1 posted on 07/18/2014 3:21:50 PM PDT by blam
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The Collective has no consequences for their actions. They will always blame their failures on the opposition.


2 posted on 07/18/2014 3:23:20 PM PDT by griswold3 (I was born here in America. I will die here in a third world country. Obama succeeded.)
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Better to be exploited by one’s peer than by autocracy.

Socialists are idiots.


3 posted on 07/18/2014 3:25:58 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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...in East Germany, at least, communism appears to have inculcated moral laxity.

Those of us who do business with China are well aware of this...they can give lessons to Middle Eastern rug merchants. :)

4 posted on 07/18/2014 3:28:04 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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5 posted on 07/18/2014 3:31:28 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: blam

There is no incentive to do better through hard work in socialism.


6 posted on 07/18/2014 3:32:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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During celebration of October revolution the speaker talked about how the revolution has helped the people:

“Look at Mary she used to be shoeless peasant, now she milkmaid, Look at Nicholas, he used to be Theif stealing chickens now he party leader....”


7 posted on 07/18/2014 3:33:10 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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Although I agree with the premise that socialism induces moral laxity, the experiment seems designed to get the desired results, aka, “confirmation bias”. What part of the experiment is supposed to simulate socialism?


12 posted on 07/18/2014 3:39:25 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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I like the Old Soviet joke bit let me offer a correction

Under Capitalism man exploiting man is private business
Under Socialism man exploiting man is public policy


15 posted on 07/18/2014 4:08:59 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: blam

I like the Old Soviet joke bit let me offer a correction

Under Capitalism man exploiting man is private business
Under Socialism man exploiting man is public policy

In simpler term if your going to get screwed..it’s nice to have a say in the matter


16 posted on 07/18/2014 4:11:51 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: blam

When we give government the ability to create infinite amounts of money and we give it a monopoly on the use of deadly force, we give government the ability to make any program work eventually, even if it has to redefine the meaning of the work “work”. Make no mistake, ObamaCare is the focus of the political will of a whole generation of secular utopians. Since they are now in power, the WILL make it “work”, even if they have to burn through a million dollars a minute and hire every IT expert in the country.

Any focus on the failures of ObamaCare web sites is misplaced. Even if signups when smoothly and 100% got their coverage, the system itself is corrupt, economically disastrous and morally corrosive. It is the most grave threat to the very meaning of being “American” since the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, the income tax and the Great Society.

But don’t take it from me. Put socialism in another context, on another continent, with a different people, and see its effect on them.

Václav Havel was a playwright, essayist and a poet. He was also the last President of Czechoslovakia before it was broken up into the Czeck Republic and Slovaka.

He lived under suffocating socialism. Socialism depends upon a fundamental lie: that society will be better when everyone lives at the expense of everyone else. This required institutionalized lies that had a horribly corrosive effect on humanity. In his famous essay, Power of the Powerless, he wrote:

“...[socialism] touches people at every step, but it does so with its ideological gloves on. This is why life in the system is so thoroughly permeated with hypocrisy and lies: government by bureaucracy is called popular government;
the working class is enslaved in the name of the working class; the complete degradation of the individual is presented as his ultimate liberation; depriving people of information is called making it available; the use of power to manipulate is called the public control of power, and
the arbitrary abuse of power is called observing the legal code; the repression of culture is called its development; the expansion of imperial influence is presented as support for the oppressed; the lack of free expression becomes the highest form of freedom; farcical elections become the highest form of democracy; banning independent thought becomes the most scientific of world views; military occupation becomes fraternal assistance.

Because the regime is captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It falsifies the past. It falsifies the present, and it falsifies the future. It falsifies statistics. It pretends not to possess an omnipotent
and unprincipled police apparatus. It pretends to respect human rights. It pretends to persecute no one. It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing.

“Individuals need not believe all these mystifications, but they must behave as though they did, or they must at least tolerate them in silence, or get along well with those who work with them. For this reason, however, they must live within a lie. They need not accept the lie. It is enough for them to have accepted their life with it and in it. For by this very fact, individuals confirm the system, fulfill the system, make the system, are the system.”

from:
http://bit.ly/4bqmRu


17 posted on 07/18/2014 4:24:07 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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Collectivism, being an economic model based on theft, lies and murder, can only prosper in a moral climate where the people are okay with it.


18 posted on 07/18/2014 4:34:30 PM PDT by lurk
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bump


19 posted on 07/18/2014 11:19:33 PM PDT by gattaca (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes10:2)
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