Posted on 07/19/2014 8:12:46 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
Militants have taken "Buk" to Russia, to cut association with the guilty terrorists - Advisor Avakov
More can be found here: http://tsn.ua/politika/boyoviki-vivezli-buk-do-rosiyi-de-yogo-znischat-razom-z-vinnimi-boyovikami-359644.html country, snowy, Yesterday, Heraschenko says the crime is of the Putin regime.
SEE ALSO: Terrorists carry "Buk" _4 facebook.com / dmitry.tymchuk "Ash" is taken to the Russian terrorists have taken anti-aircraft missile system "Buk", through which the plane was shot down, "Malaysian Airlines." This adviser Interior Minister Anton Heraschenko. According to him, in that night was Snizhne Games Hirkin "Stryelok" to "razrulit" situation.
"Night setting" Buk ", which was made missile launch, was moved into the territory of which it is likely to destroy, nor the direct perpetrators of the terrorist attack, those who framed and Strelkova Putin announced happily downing Ukrainian An-26 ", - said Heraschenko on his page on Facebook.
Read more: Terrorists surrounded the place of the crash in the Donetsk region and hinder rescue Intelligence also indicated that the terrorists found at the scene "black boxes" will be handed over today on one of your PPC Luhansk Oblast curators of the FSB.
"This is further evidence of gross violations of international rules Putin investigating crashes," - said the head of the Interior Ministry adviser.
Recall Coordinator of "information support" Dmitry Timchuk published photos "Buka" which transported the gunmen. More can be found here: http://tsn.ua/politika/boyoviki-vivezli-buk-do-rosiyi-de-yogo-znischat-razom-z-vinnimi-boyovikami-359644.html
I guess that I’m supposed to believe this source...
That pic is funny and he does uncannily look like Hitler in this but I’m afraid that our entire foreign policy is in essence, the creation of a poster like this. That will show Putin!
Since the BUKs the “rebels” are using are on loan from Russia in the first place, what would be the point of destroying this launcher? It’s not like it’s the only one Russia owns, and even presuming that the firing information was somehow semi-permanently stored in the launcher’s computers, it would be far less wasteful simply to pull the computers or their storage devices, and destroy those.
Even simpler would be to drop the launcher off in a motorpool full of launchers, then play a “shell game” with them by shuffling them all off to some remote “exercise area”, ostensibly to “take them out of reach of the separatists”, and at the same time obfuscate whatever evidence apparently needs to be hidden.
I’m guessing. Just speculating. But ...
1. Don’t commercial aircraft send out a signal that allows detection and identification?
2. Aren’t military anti-aircraft missile systems equipped to detect these signals.
3. If the above is true then there are only three possibilities that would explain the shoot down:
A. A system failure in the aircraft ID system.
B. A system failure in the anti-aircraft missile system.
C. A manual override.
Food for thought.
The fuzzy picture of a launcher on a truck somewhere in some country sure is damning evidence.
About the only thing I have faith in is that I don’t believe anything I have heard with regard to who did what.
Which lie is the truth?
You cheated. You used a picture of David Axelrod as a model. ;)
Still haven’t figured out how to post images so where are the guys who always post the images captioned, nothing new here, move along.
Question is, spyware should be able to get all the info, CIA at least, interpol, MI5, Mossad, but who will out the Russians?
Bets it WON’T be this administration. Wonder if they [Jarrett] has given the “stand down” order?
B. A system failure in the anti-aircraft missile system.
C. A manual override.
And the following.
D. System locked onto military escort planes that were protecting the flight of a civilian plane through hostile territory after it was diverted there due to bad weather.
You are correct commercial aircraft does not send out identifying signal.
NEWS UPDATE:
By night, the Russian Federation on the territory of Luhansk region passed 15 pieces of military equipment. According to an UNIAN correspondent, reported by a spokesman for the National Security Council information center Andrei Lysenko today at a briefing in Kyiv.
See also opened a recruitment office in Moscow “DNR”: shall terrorists Donbass “Night by Russia in the Luhansk region of Ukraine were 15 pieces of military equipment. This is another proof that support terrorists in eastern Ukraine by the Russian Federation does not stop, “- he said.
http://www.unian.ua/politics/941632-vnochi-na-luganschinu-z-boku-rf-proyshli-15-odinits-viyskovoji-tehniki-rnbo.html
First—These things happen in wars. It was a terrible and grim event but not one planned for by any side—only Ukraine gains by this—sympathy (ie Money and supplies) and support against the evil Putin-Hitler character. Second, what can we really do? Go to war with Russia? What will Germany, France and England do? Go to war? Sanctions that do not work? What should we do? Meet with Putin and cut a deal—give him the old rebellious states—put law and order in them—stop the bloodshed—so Russia will have its land bridge to Criema. Give Ukrain some aid and help them set up a stable nation—maybe let them into NATO so Russia can’t nibble up more land.
They’re just following the lead of Obama’s IRS.
1. Don’t commercial aircraft send out a signal that allows detection and identification?
2. Aren’t military anti-aircraft missile systems equipped to detect these signals.
3. If the above is true then there are only three possibilities that would explain the shoot down:
A. A system failure in the aircraft ID system.
B. A system failure in the anti-aircraft missile system.
C. A manual override.
Food for thought.
I wonder if the fuss over the “black boxes” has to do with Item “3-A” above.
The newer design B-777 black box will have a comprehensive collection of data. If it shows (or is “fiddled” to show) a failure in the transponder return of the civilian flight, it could provide a convenient excuse for the missile launch.
WHAT SHOULD U.S. DO? ONE WORD FUNCTION
1st- Fact NO DECLARATION of war by Ukraine
2nd- Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994: gave security assurances signed by three nuclear powers: the Russian Federation, the UNITED STATES of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave weaker versions.
“The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine Ukraine gave up the world’s third largest nuclear weapons stockpile.”
The memorandum grouped a set of assurances that Ukraine already held from the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe (CSCE) Final Act, United Nations Charter and Non-Proliferation Treaty.
3rd- 113th Congress Public Law 95: SUPPORT FOR THE SOVEREIGNTY, INTEGRITY, DEMOCRACY, AND ECONOMIC: STABILITY OF UKRAINE ACT OF 2014, Page 128 STAT. 1088
Public Law 113-95
113th Congress
(a) In General.—The President shall, subject to the availability of appropriations—
(1) enhance security cooperation efforts and relationships amongst countries in Central and Eastern Europe and among the United States, the European Union, and countries in Central and Eastern Europe;
(2) provide additional security assistance, including DEFENSE ARTICLES and DEFENSE SERVICES (as those terms are defined in section 47 of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2794)) and MILITARY TRAINING, to countries in Central and Eastern Europe, including Ukraine; and
(3) support greater reform, professionalism, and capacity-building efforts within the military, intelligence, and security services in Central and Eastern Europe, including Ukraine.
APPROVED April 3, 2014. OBAMA SIGNED INTO LAW April 3, 2014
4. 1941 STATE OF THE UNION MESSAGE President Franklin Roosevelt: http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/pdfs/fftext.pdf
“Today it is abundantly evident that American citizens everywhere are demanding and supporting speedy and complete action in recognition of obvious danger.
EXERPT: “Therefore, the immediate need is a swift and driving increase in our armament production.
Leaders of industry and labor have responded to our summons. Goals of speed have been set. In some cases these goals are being reached ahead of time; in some cases we are on schedule; in other cases there are slight but not serious delays; and in some cases—and I am sorry to say very important cases—we are all concerned by the slowness of the accomplishment of our plans.
The Army and Navy, however, have made substantial progress during the past year. Actual experience is improving and speeding up our methods of production with every passing day. And today’s best is not good enough for tomorrow.
I am not satisfied with the progress thus far made. The men in charge of the program represent the best in training, in ability, and in patriotism. They are not satisfied with the progress thus far made. None of us will be satisfied until the job is done.
No matter whether the original goal was set too high or too low, our objective is quicker and better results. To give you two illustrations:
We are behind schedule in turning out finished airplanes; we are working day and night to solve the innumerable problems and to catch up.
We are ahead of schedule in building warships but we are working to get even further ahead of that schedule.
To change a whole nation from a basis of peacetime production of implements of peace to a basis of wartime production of implements of war is no small task. And the greatest difficulty comes at the beginning of the program, when new tools, new plant facilities, new assembly lines, and new ship ways must first be constructed before the actual materiel begins to flow steadily and speedily from them.
The Congress, of course, must rightly keep itself informed at all times of the progress of the program. However, there is certain information, as the Congress itself will readily recognize, which, in the interests of our own security and those of the nations that we are supporting, must of needs be kept in confidence.
New circumstances are constantly begetting new needs for our safety. I shall ask this Congress for greatly increased new appropriations and authorizations to carry on what we have begun.
I also ask this Congress for authority and for funds sufficient to manufacture additional munitions and war supplies of many kinds, to be turned over to those nations which are now in actual war with aggressor nations.
Our most useful and immediate role is to act as an arsenal for them as well as for ourselves. They do not need man power, but they do need billions of dollars worth of the weapons of defense. The time is near when they will not be able to pay for them all in ready cash. We cannot, and we will not, tell them that they must surrender, merely because of present inability to pay for the weapons which we know they must have.
I do not recommend that we make them a loan of dollars with which to pay for these weapons—a loan to be repaid in dollars.
I recommend that we make it possible for those nations to continue to obtain war materials in the United States, fitting their orders into our own program. Nearly all their materiel would, if the time ever came, be useful for our own defense.
Taking counsel of expert military and naval authorities, considering what is best for our own security, we are free to decide how much should be kept here and how much should be sent abroad to our friends who by their determined and heroic resistance are giving us time in which to make ready our own defense.
For what we send abroad, we shall be repaid within a reasonable time following the close of hostilities, in similar materials, or, at our option, in other goods of many kinds, which they can produce and which we need.
Let us say to the democracies: “We Americans are vitally concerned in your defense of freedom. We are putting forth our energies, our resources and our organizing powers to give you the strength to regain and maintain a free world. We shall send you, in ever-increasing numbers, ships, planes, tanks, guns. This is our purpose and our pledge.”
In fulfillment of this purpose we will not be intimidated by the threats of dictators that they will regard as a breach of international law or as an act of war our aid to the democracies which dare to resist their aggression. Such aid is not an act of war, even if a dictator should unilaterally proclaim it so to be.
When the dictators, if the dictators, are ready to make war upon us, they will not wait for an act of war on our part. They did not wait for Norway or Belgium or the Netherlands to commit an act of war.
Their only interest is in a new one-way international law, which lacks mutuality in its observance, and, therefore, becomes an instrument of oppression.”
If by "we" you mean the United States, then "we" should not do anything since what happens in Ukraine is none of our business and nothing that happens there can have any impact upon our national security. We have already meddled enough by helping to overthrow a democratically elected government in Kiev, and we should not pretend to be surprised that Putin has reacted to protect Russia's newly-threatened economic and security interests in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. We helped to shape this mess, and we should be careful not to help make it even worse.
There is absolutely no benefit to Russia from the shoot-down of the Malaysian B777, and therefore no logical basis to believe that Russia would have had any intentional hand in it. On the other hand, Kiev is most definitely benefiting from having the blame placed upon Russia, since the Ukraine regime suffers from a floundering economy, demographic tensions, and an uphill fight against the pro-Russian separatists in the eastern oblasts. I still believe the most likely explanation is that the separatists mistook the MH B777 for a Ukrainian Air Force transport, similar to the AN-26 that they shoot down from 21,000 feet earlier this week. That would be a tragic wartime mistake, but not an atrocity.
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