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Obama Signs Executive Order Banning AK-47s(Shutting Down Russian Imports)
The Shooters Log ^ | July 18, 2014 | Dave Dolbee

Posted on 07/19/2014 9:00:05 AM PDT by Jed Eckert

On Wednesday—a day before the Malaysian airliner was shot down—President Obama quietly signed an executive order targeting Russian oil, natural gas, finance and defense companies. Hidden in the details, was a section that effectively bans AK-47s. As always, the devil is in the details, so read on for the straight scoop.

While signing an executive order to impose new sanctions on Russia, President Obama used his pen to also further his agenda of gun control by including a ban of parts used to build or repair Russian AK-47s. That is the headline and certainly bad news for the gun community. The order immediately will have an effect on Concern Kalashnikov.

KALASHNIKOV CONCERN (a.k.a. CONCERN KALASHNIKOV; a.k.a. IZHEVSKIY MASHINOSTROITEL’NYI ZAVOD OAO; f.k.a. IZHMASH R&D CENTER; f.k.a. JSC NPO IZHMASH; f.k.a. NPO IZHMASH OAO; a.k.a. OJSC CONCERN KALASHNIKOV; f.k.a. OJSC IZHMASH; f.k.a. SCIENTIFIC PRODUCTION ASSOCIATION IZHMASH JOINT STOCK COMPANY), 3, Derjabin Pr., Izhevsk, Udmurt Republic 426006, Russia; Registration ID 1111832003018 [UKRAINE2].

Concern Kalashnikov’s U.S. importer is RWC Group. The new ban will include Izhmash rifles—rimfire and centerfire bolt-action rifles—and semi-automatic Saiga rifles and shotguns based on the Kalashnikov action. Fortunately, there are a few facts in which gun enthusiasts may find some solace. First, the law only applies to Russian made AKs. Therefore, all AK’s and parts imported from other countries are still legal. Second, Executive Order 13662 does not impact any firearms or parts that have already been imported—well almost…it seems there was a gray area regarding item already imported, but which money was still owed to Concern Kalashnikov.

The obvious question of transactions in progress was immediately raised, and the Treasury Department offered a quick clarification:

374. If I own a Kalashnikov product, is that product blocked by sanctions? Am I able to resell a Kalashnikov product at a gun show or other secondary market?


If a U.S. person is in possession of a Kalashnikov Concern product that was bought and fully paid for prior to the date of designation (i.e., no payment remains due to Kalashnikov Concern), then that product is not blocked and OFAC sanctions would not prohibit the U.S. person from keeping or selling the product in the secondary market, so long as Kalashnikov Concern has no interest in the transaction. New transactions by U.S. persons with Kalashnikov Concern are prohibited, however, and any property in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest is blocked pursuant to OFAC’s designation of Kalashnikov Concern on July 16, 2014. If a U.S. person has an inventory of Kalashnikov Concern products in which Kalashnikov Concern has an interest (for example, the products are not fully paid for or are being sold on consignment), we advise that U.S. person to contact OFAC for further guidance on handling of the inventory. [7-16-2014]

In plain English, it means as long as you own the product and do not owe Kalashnikov Concern any money for it, you are clear of the executive order, can shoot, sell or do whatever you please with the firearm or part within the limits of the existing laws. However, if you have any product on consignment, layaway, or what-have-you, you’ll have to work it out with Kalashnikov Concern—without running afoul of the federal government.

The purpose of the executive order was to sanction Russia for actions relating to the Ukraine. However, this is unlikely to move the needle on that front, but will certainly impact the future of RWC Group and the American jobs it provides. As of the time of this writing, RWC is expected to release a statement in the coming days. However, by the time of this article’s publication, it may already be available.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guns; shooting
Watch for cheap Russian ammo to be next. Once again prices on Saiga rifles and shotguns will skyrocket.
1 posted on 07/19/2014 9:00:05 AM PDT by Jed Eckert
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To: Jed Eckert

Now just gang members will have AK’s....Boy! That’ll show those Russians Obama. Umm, umm!


2 posted on 07/19/2014 9:04:53 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Jed Eckert

I would question whether this is legal but then who is going to stand up in congress and dispute it???


3 posted on 07/19/2014 9:06:48 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Jed Eckert
A couple of executive orders in the last few days....buried (by intention) under all the sensational headlines this week.

The deluge is starting.

I hope someone is keeping count.

God save us in the next two years from his phone, his pen and his marxist agenda.

Leni

4 posted on 07/19/2014 9:08:21 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Jed Eckert

Well, I guess my China made MAK-90 is ok then.

Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.


5 posted on 07/19/2014 9:11:18 AM PDT by Delta 21 (Patiently waiting for the jack booted kick at my door.)
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To: Iscool

Well I think it violates the property rights of people who already own them


6 posted on 07/19/2014 9:11:40 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Jed Eckert
Once again prices on Saiga rifles and shotguns will skyrocket.

Reading the firearms boards, the wholesale prices about doubled immediately. (They're still cheap, just not as cheap.)

I see that Obama didn't cut off imports of strategic minerals from Russia -- he's not -- make that all of his advisers are not -- that stupid -- and we import very little oil from Russia.

7 posted on 07/19/2014 9:17:10 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Jed Eckert

The problem with these in-laws is that they NEVER get overturned. This ban under the guise of sanctions will be the only part of these “sanctions” still enforced in five years.


8 posted on 07/19/2014 9:21:19 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: The Toll

“Non-laws” stupid auto correct.


9 posted on 07/19/2014 9:23:29 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Jed Eckert

And unless ANYONE of the gonadless GOP leadership stop this immediately Obama’s foot is in the door to ban firearms. First just foreign. Like Beretta, Bersa, and XD. Then why stop there? Ban crossing state line?

Who will stop him? Eric Holder??? John Boner?


10 posted on 07/19/2014 9:27:32 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Jed Eckert

As a silver lining, someone must see this as an entrepreneurial opportunity. The design of the AK-47 is no secret, and surely some robotic factory is on the build as we freep.


11 posted on 07/19/2014 9:27:34 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Delta 21

I sense opportunity, for someone to back-engineer the existing design, and produce the same or very similar product domestically.

What the heck, with 3-D printing and using sintered metal technology, it may even be possible to improve upon the original design.

Of course, it may still be possible to bring them in through Mexico, along with the drug shipments that seem to pass through our borders so easily now.


12 posted on 07/19/2014 9:31:02 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
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To: Iscool
I would question whether this is legal but then who is going to stand up in congress and dispute it????

The time to stand up and dispute it should have been when George H.W. Bush pulled a far worse stunt in 1989.

Range of executive actions possible on guns, some more controversial than others

In 1989, then-President George H.W. Bush halted the importation of some semi-automatic firearms that could be considered “assault weapons” under existing legal authority provided by the 1968 Gun Control Act, under the determination that they were not “particularly suitable for or readily adapting to sporting purposes.” Bush used his executive powers after a career criminal killed five kids and wounded 29 others with an AK-47 assault rifle on Jan. 27, 1989, in California.

This was done on the advice of his "drug czar" William Bennett, another phoney conservative, who told him gun owners wouldn't care since they don't hunt with these types of firearms anyway.

Paved the way for Bill Clinton.

13 posted on 07/19/2014 9:33:07 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

I read somewhere that this isn’t true. It wasn’t Snopes or anything like that. I’ll try to find out where I read this.


14 posted on 07/19/2014 9:36:03 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: The Toll; Organic Panic

See my post #13. Most of the GOP is part of the problem.


15 posted on 07/19/2014 9:37:00 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: alloysteel

“Of course, it may still be possible to bring them in through Mexico, along with the drug shipments that seem to pass through our borders so easily now.”

At this time one could bring a few Russian T-90 tanks through our Southern border with very little difficulty.

Just don’t try to get into the USA from Canada with a box of Kinder Eggs.


16 posted on 07/19/2014 9:37:45 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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To: Jed Eckert

A big question is since the older models of AK are out of patent, will a US manufacturer make a high quality version?

While some early Russian makes were pretty good quality, soon quality went downhill, and their foreign manufacturers cranked out some worthless rifles.

Today, US manufacturers could not only make a good quality rifle, but a very high quality rifle. There likely are some people out there who would shell out $20k for a rifle, if it was really spectacular.


17 posted on 07/19/2014 9:39:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: alloysteel
I sense opportunity, for someone to back-engineer the existing design, and produce the same or very similar product domestically.

I'm pretty sure producing an AK variant has been tried here in the US -- the problem is that matching the price of one manufactured in Russia, China, the former Eastern Bloc countries, etc. etc. would be just about impossible. (You can buy various AK parts manufactured right here in the U.S.A., just not complete guns.) The AK dates from 1947 -- any patents would have expired years ago, just as with America's Favorite Rifle, the AR.

18 posted on 07/19/2014 9:43:02 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Jed Eckert

Go to Hell, 0!


19 posted on 07/19/2014 9:43:26 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: murron
Unfortunately it's posted on the Treasury Dept. website so I don't believe this is false.

Direct links:

Link1

Link2 see #374

20 posted on 07/19/2014 9:49:42 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: alloysteel

Won’t happen to any extent. The problem with this idea is someone has to risk a big pile of their own money on a bet that they will not lose it to some other executive order or ATF ruling. The time has come to forget about the small battles and attack the NFA. No debating, the American people must demand it be repealed.


21 posted on 07/19/2014 9:54:33 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

Time to start making high quality USA AK’s here at home. I know a few like I/0 make one already but the quality is lacking. US barrels for AK’s were once hard to find and quality and availability on those now are really nice. THere are lots of other options still for high quality AK rifles coming from overseas..but still this POS POTUS is a nasty, petulant child..and a coward.


22 posted on 07/19/2014 10:02:23 AM PDT by gwgn02
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To: Jed Eckert
Mr. "I've got a pen and a phone" style of law making. Some countries refer to it as a Monarchy, others a Dicktator.
23 posted on 07/19/2014 10:06:29 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
One of the big appeals of these rifles was cost. The imports could be had for a fraction of the cost of a similar American made rifle. Granted, the imports were uglier and not as accurate as their American counterparts but they work and for the most part are very reliable.

Case in point: a few years ago (pre Obama) you could pick up a Russian semi auto Saiga in .7.62x51mm Nato for just over $300. An American AR10 in the same caliber, about $1600.

Sure the AR10 is more accurate but the Saiga never skips a beat and is easy to disassemble and clean in the flield.

24 posted on 07/19/2014 11:04:24 AM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Cheerio

I’m voting on Dickater...


25 posted on 07/19/2014 11:04:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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26 posted on 07/19/2014 11:07:28 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Jed Eckert

Gun Control in the US ,Disguised as Sanctions against Russia , LOL


27 posted on 07/19/2014 11:09:17 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Jed Eckert
Obama Signs Executive Order Banning AK-47s. While signing an executive order to impose new sanctions on Russia, President Obama used his pen to also further his agenda of gun control by including a ban of parts used to build or repair Russian AK-47s.

Not all of them, unless the EO went beyond Russian AKs. One of my sons recently bought a Serbian AK 47. There are many others. Here's three.

Serbian.


Chinese.


Rumanian.

28 posted on 07/19/2014 12:41:13 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Jed Eckert

The order just mentions Izmash and the Saiga’s; I wonder if it includes the Molot factory and the VEPR’s?


29 posted on 07/19/2014 1:18:31 PM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: El Laton Caliente
The order just mentions Izmash and the Saiga’s; I wonder if it includes the Molot factory and the VEPR’s?

Good question. I was starting to wonder the same thing. Guess we'll have to wait and see how this all plays out.

30 posted on 07/19/2014 2:50:04 PM PDT by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: El Laton Caliente

It does include VEPR’s


31 posted on 07/20/2014 7:48:38 PM PDT by gwgn02
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