Posted on 07/23/2014 8:53:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf
So now you are presenting a Russian claim, with no evidence to back it up as proof of something the USA has denied?
According to the State department, the USA had never met with right sector or supported them in any way.
Where is you evidence that they did?
More Russian lies is your only evidence.
Everything you post is nothing but Russian lies.
You are a disinformationist.
The only source for those claims is you, and you get your information from Russia, so we can all assume that your claims are just more dirty Russian lies, just like everything else you post.
I wish that could happen in the Senate or House. How I would love Reid, Chuck Up Schummer being beotch slapped.
Stop it, your are killing me with this “communist” stuff!
I’m laughing so hard at you that it’s waking up the wife.
Disconcerting to see these so called conservative liberty loving people come out to support Putin taking over a sovereign country.
Please link to whenever I have said I support Putin.
You can’t. of course, you are just making things up again, to try and silence a view you don’t agree with.
When I see you screaming “propaganda!” at articles from Tymchuk’s facebook, Ukrainform, censor.net, etc, I might change my mind about you.
But until then, I will continue to believe you are just here to grind an agenda, with no interest in knowing what is really haoppening.
Actually, if I had written that post a short 10 years ago, I would have mentioned the Communist aspects to the war, but I have changed my views a bit on it after studying the history of it, especially Ho Chi Min.
Chi was created by the French occupation. He became a Communist later in life after he decided to create a revolution. This happened in Russia.....where he studied the Russians. Chi actually hid his Communist ideology early on in his revolution in hopes that he could get some aid from the West to force out the French who were treating his people like so much cow dung. Killing, maiming, torture...the whole ball of wax. This all occurred in the 1920s-40s
Had we intervened then, and he asked several times, the last time was to Roosevelt, the war would never have gone the way it did, with his revolution having to go to the Chinese. We unfortunately ignored his pleas for help.
Prior to that he had actually spent some time in the US. he started out pro-west and was forced by circumstance to allow the Chinese in for their weapons and supplies. After that the peoples revolution took on a more communist political stance,and subsequently a communist government was formed in the North.
Personally, after much thinking on this, I now take a different position in that I believe the anti-communist angle we used to sell the war at home, has failed the test of time. It did not begin as a Communist expansion. it only went that way because we let it and it was one of those, “if Only” moments of history.
I think that since Communism did not spread much beyond Vietnam after re-unification, I see that as proof that what we were involved in, was civil war caused by a line drawn by negotiators where only 2 million people took the southern end, and the rest went North. many of those two million people were actually Northerners faking their allegiance.
I think a mistake was made to have gotten involved on behalf of the French colonialists and we should have involved ourselves much earlier in the process and helped them to get the French out via diplomacy. France being a ally complicated post WWI. But in short, it was not the Communist problem that we thought it was. Through a unfortunate series of mishaps and missed opportunities, it became a Communist issue in part but the primary issue was a civil war for independence and we backed the minority side, installed a puppet government with a catholic leader, and mucked it up causing China to become Chi’s benefactor.
The rest is history, as they say.
I did not fight there, I ended up in Germany for 2 and a half years. I enlisted because a couple of my friends were killed there. But the Army decided my fate and future.
As you can see, patriotic FReepers who have posted on this thread all are happy to see these communists beaten and defeated, but not you. Patriotic FReepers would love to see what happened in Ukraine to happen to the dirty democrat commies here, but not you.
You are so loyal to the Kremlin that you are even willing to support their communist agents in Ukraine right here on FReerepublic. You are reprehensible scum!
We will never tolerate dirty traitor scum like you here!
Never will you be able to tell your rotten lies here with impunity.
You are labeled as a liar and a rat by good patriotic FReepers on practically every thread you post because that's what you are!
You must be one of those people that believes everything on the internet. IMO, that is Russian inspired agit-prop. It is always part of their military strategy and they are extremely good at it. They do it on every incursion.
Good patriotic FReepers are absolutely disgusted by your treacherous lies.
“are happy to see these communists beaten and defeated, but not you.”
Link please...
OH WAIT, as usual, you can’t.
What I have said is that they are the duly elected reps of their areas, like it or not.
I don’t like the Rep for Northwest Indiana, Pete Visclosky, but that doesn’t mean I could ever support that moron’s forced removal for purely political reasons. We still have a Constitution in this country, even if it is under attack.
You and your buddies just name call and obsfuscate to try and divert from whatever it is you think is hurting the cause of Kiev.
And you have been doing it since it started. It is CLEAR to anyone paying attention who has an agenda here.
Well now your beloved Communist Kremlin agents have been shown the door! Patriots celebrate the defeat of these commie traitors, but not you. You defend them. You criticize Ukraine for fighting and defeating these commies. Absolutely nauseating!
“IMO, that is Russian inspired agit-prop. It is always part of their military strategy and they are extremely good at it. They do it on every incursion.”
It might be, but I saw the videos of the Nazi flags on the Maidan, and the videos of the violence. I heard all of the claims and accusations about who actually did the shootings.
I know Avakov went after Sashko when real questions about who did the shootings on the Maidan started to be being seriously asked by the Russians, that called him out by name, resulting in his “Suicide” by two shots to the chest.
There are questions all around, and propaganda flying like mayflies in the summer, but you cannot convince me that everything coming from Obama, given his history and legacy of lies, and from Kiev, is the god’s given truth, that we are just supposed to blindly accept, on this one subject alone.
Thanks for completely proving my point. Goodnight.
Go to Hell, dirtbag.
Your comments betray you.. no need to link. My post was not to you... I don’t fraternize Commies.
The feeling expressed are Conservative, pro freedom, pro capitalist, anti authoritarian small “d” democratic views.
You seem to think that those views are shared in Russia, and I'm telling you that they are not.
Putin's Russia, is much like the country of Italy pre-WWII with Mussolini at the helm. leaving the Fascist Party out of the conversation, (because I don't want to argue that canard tonight) Mussolini's goals were to re-establish a New Roman Empire. Both Putin and Mussolini use the same tactics of a controlled press, and a lot of nationalistic rhetoric. (rerun the Olympic ceremonies for a eye full of it)
The US has taken a weak but consistent position regarding the Ukraine and you are lobbying against it.
If your arguments are based on anti-interventionist beliefs, like those of Paul and Pat Buchannan, then frame them that way. But that's not what you and some others are doing.
So you come off looking like a pro-Russian, anti-US activist and that is all we see.
It's up to you, but the scoreboard says you have brought a knife to a gun fight.
Kim Il-Sun was a Soviet stooge for much of his life (much of his claimed life is a fraud) and career.
Yep and even that hardly describes it
“You seem to think that those views are shared in Russia, and I’m telling you that they are not.”
I have never said that they are. What I have said, many times, is that Putin is a cold, calculating SOB who has been playing Obama like a cheap violin.
“The 80’s called, they want their foreign policy back!”
Not only have Obama’s endless blunder’s enabled Putin’s gamesmanship, but it has enabled him to do things now that could only have been dreamed of a few years ago, like taking back Crimea.
As I said when this began, Obama’s views are based on Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals”, while Putin’s are based on Machiavelli’s “the Prince”.
“The US has taken a weak but consistent position regarding the Ukraine and you are lobbying against it.”
This goes back much farther than just Ukraine, and that has been my major point, all along. This goes all the way back to Libya, and how Obama lied to Putin about what his intentions were. And then, to Syria....
There is ZERO trust, not just by Putin, but most world leaders now, in anything this administration says or does.
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