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To: SMARTY
"‘We shot down MH17 thinking it was Ukrainian cargo plane’: Sensational admission by pro-Russian”. Then you are a mass murderer.

Do you have that short a memory, or a very selective memory, or are wearing blinders, or ???

The following will bring you and other low-information folks up to speed.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air civilian passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai that was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes on 3 July 1988. The attack took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from the Vincennes.

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died.[1] This attack ranks seventh among the deadliest disasters in aviation history, tenth if including the 9/11 attacks, which includes ground casualties; the incident retains the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Persian Gulf and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus aircraft anywhere in the world.[2] The Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.

According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making IFF squawks in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft, and operators of Vincennes mistook for Mode II.

According to the United States Government, the crew incorrectly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14A Tomcat fighter, a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. The Iranian F-14's at that time had no anti-ship capability.

The US Navy had claimed that the Vincennes was defending itself in international waters at the time of the incident. Later disclosures would prove that the Vincennes had entered into Iranian waters and initiated hostilities. This was a key fact that was left out of the public inquiry led by Admiral Fogarty.

The event generated a great deal of controversy and criticism of the United States. Some analysts have blamed U.S. military commanders and the captain of Vincennes for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.

As of 1993, the United States had not apologized to Iran.[8] In 1996, the United States and Iran reached "an agreement in full and final settlement of all disputes, differences, claims, counterclaims" relating to the incident at the International Court of Justice, including an apology in the form of "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the Loss of lives caused by the incident...".[9] As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.

Iran Air still uses flight number IR655 on the Tehran–Dubai route as a memorial to the victims.

So was Dutch responsible for that shoot down and a mass murderer?

14 posted on 07/24/2014 7:56:14 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

“Do you have that short a memory, or a very selective memory, or are wearing blinders, or ???

The following will bring you and other low-information folks up to speed.”

You’re certainly entitled to your own view. But, you can keep your hostility to yourself... it is out of place here.


21 posted on 07/24/2014 8:06:32 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Buffalo Head

I got clobbered for saying essentially the same thing a few days ago.

Prepare for incoming...


22 posted on 07/24/2014 8:06:34 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Buffalo Head
I'm glad to see that you believe that we have a direct moral equivalency to those barbarians who murdered those 298 innocents on Flight MH17.

As I remember, there were several threats against all US operating forces in the Persian Gulf at that time and that the crew of the Vincennes attempted to communicate with the Iranian flight after they had improperly identified it as a potential hostile. The radar operators had determined improperly that the plane was descending towards the Vincennes and as things ramped up, they continued to try warning after warning before they launched in what they believed to be self-defense.

Once the tragedy was upon them, everyone involved freely admitted the disastrous chain of events and accepted responsibility.

Conversely, the Russians are lying as they always have and always will. Mass murder is a Russian pastime and nothing to be apologized for as far as they are concerned. KAL007 as a case in point.

About as patriotic as Bill Ayers or Ward Churchill, aren't you..

29 posted on 07/24/2014 8:45:27 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Buffalo Head

We can understand the mistake that the United States military made during hostilities with Iran, and minutes after being attacked, with seconds to decide, 30 years ago.

When you are you going to explain Russian invaders taking out a civilian airliner at 33,000 feet, for no reason?


38 posted on 07/24/2014 9:43:14 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Buffalo Head

THAT CERTAINLY EXCUSES SHOOTING DOWN AIRLINERS

or what other point were you trying to make?


46 posted on 07/24/2014 10:44:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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