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The dueling Obamacare memes: Which one should you believe?
The Los Angeles Times ^ | July 24, 2014 | Jon Healey

Posted on 07/25/2014 3:26:56 AM PDT by SteveH

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It's inarguable that the process Democrats used to enact Obamacare was ugly. They passed the Affordable Care Act and the companion Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act without a smidgen of Republican support. Some provisions were inserted without public hearings and with little debate, and key versions of the bills were cobbled together behind closed doors.

As a consequence, the legislation was vetted only by Democrats, which all but guarantees that it will say and do some things they didn't intend. Worse, only Democrats are now invested in its success. So they have no way to fix problems in the law short of repealing the provisions involved, which is the only solution Republicans seem interested in. And when a court ruling blows a huge hole in the act, as the D.C. Circuit's decision threatens to do, Republicans find themselves with veto power over any legislative attempt to plug it.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: halbig; obamacare

1 posted on 07/25/2014 3:26:56 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH
"The legislation was vetted only by Democrats."

Lovely.
Woolly Woolly

2 posted on 07/25/2014 3:39:36 AM PDT by DeaconRed (EVERYTHINGS BROKEN)
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The demodummies wanted it now let them die with it. Its on their hands.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 4:01:06 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: SteveH

This guy is full of crap,they shoved through a table of contents,the chapters were filled in 27,000 pages later.
Democrats are a pack of freaking communist liars,PERIOD.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 4:01:19 AM PDT by ballplayer
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they shoved through a table of contents,the chapters were filled in 27,000 pages later.

Which brings us to Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States of America:

[Power of Congress] - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

The Constitution grants Congress (and Congress alone) the power to make laws. The Department of HHS, EPA, Homeland Security, etc., does not have the power to make up their own regulations.

5 posted on 07/25/2014 4:10:58 AM PDT by Hoodat (Article 4, Section 4)
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Here's one telling bit: In evaluating the versions of the bill being voted on in the House and Senate, the Congressional Budget Office -- Congress' definitive financial scorekeeper -- never once suggested that subsidy costs would depend on the number of states setting up their own exchanges. If that had been a real possibility for reducing the cost of the bill, Democrats (who were eager to minimize the measure's cost) would certainly have pushed the CBO to tote up the potential savings.

This is clearly and intentionally false. CBO scored ObamaCare with exchanges in all 50 states because they thought the Medicare mandate (found unconstitutional) would force exchanges in all 50 states. The clear democrat intent was to use massive financial sledgehammers to force state participation, and the state-exchange-only subsidies were one of those sledgehammers.

6 posted on 07/25/2014 4:28:05 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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It sure looks like they have the power to me,there are about 300 bills passed by the House sitting on Harry Reids Desk that he has not acted on,seems to me everything that is happening is by regulation and executive order.
Glen Beck was right when he said years ago when Obama was elected that the most dangerous man in America was Cass Sunstein,he was Regulatory Czar,Beck was right


7 posted on 07/25/2014 4:40:10 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: SteveH
It's inarguable that the process Democrats used to enact Obamacare was ugly.

Ugly? Try un-Constitutional. As I understand it, tax laws must originate in The House, but ObamaDon'tCare originated in The Senate.

By The Supreme Court's own admission, ObamaDon'tCare is a tax law.

'Course I'm not a Constitutional scholar or anything, I'm just pointing what I've heard.

Feel free to disagree.

8 posted on 07/25/2014 4:55:01 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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“As a consequence, the legislation was vetted only by Democrats, which all but guarantees that it will say and do some things they didn’t intend.”

That statement is not only farcical, it is an irrational paradox.

The willful ignorance of the pro - Idiotcare posters never ceases to amaze. And deliver.


9 posted on 07/25/2014 5:16:14 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Pollster1

States HAD to be assumed to play a huge role in the cost of Obamacare. If the law didn’t take that into account, the fed cost would be astronomical and a few Rats would probably have balked at voting for it.

The fact that we are a republic and states can’t be totally dictated to is one big nail in the coffin of Obamacare.


10 posted on 07/25/2014 5:26:54 AM PDT by randita ("Is a nation without borders a nation?"...Noonan)
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