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Who Is Most To Blame For Climate Change?
NPR ^ | July 24, 2014 | by BARBARA J. KING

Posted on 07/25/2014 7:29:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Here in southeastern Virginia, our biggest city, Norfolk, is saddled with an unwanted claim to fame. Norfolk is the place "where normal tides have risen 1.5 feet over the past century and the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast."

NPR notes that the Norfolk area "is particularly vulnerable because the land is sinking as sea levels are rising."

As we frequently discuss here at 13.7, human-caused (anthropogenic) climate change is a global problem.

Surprisingly, at least to me, the evidence points to a narrative of universal blame, instead of one in which the "big countries" (as islanders call the industrialized nations) are called out.

After considering and dismissing a number of other explanations, Rudiak-Wanker concludes that the answer can be found in the Marshallese perspective on cultural decline, the idea that the local culture is deteriorating as people increasingly leave traditional practices behind in favor of foreign ways.

When we look hard at what's happening for each of us locally in terms of altered weather patterns or coastlines or patterns of flora and fauna, and share that information, the global picture starts to come together. The idea is not to play the blame game, but rather to focus on how various cultures and individuals process the frightening realities of a climate-change-suffused future, and to determine what can be done to alter the course we are on.

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KEYWORDS: climategate; hoax; marxism; socialism
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God.
1 posted on 07/25/2014 7:29:21 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

BS gobbledegook


2 posted on 07/25/2014 7:30:52 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Rudiak-Wanker concludes

I can't go any further...

3 posted on 07/25/2014 7:33:01 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These people are so ignorant of basic science.

Put an ice cube in a glass of water. The water level does not rise after the ice cube melts. The ice displaces the same amount of water whether it is frozen or melted.

The American public are IDIOTS to believe ANY of this nonsense.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 7:33:17 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yes, He is.

Besides warming, He deals tsunami’s, volcanos, CMEs (Carrington event), poll reversal and so on


5 posted on 07/25/2014 7:33:40 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Note the “NPR”.

This is Latin for “Doesn’t know sh*t about science.”


6 posted on 07/25/2014 7:33:55 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Apollo and his SUV chariot. Commuting across the sky every day without a carbon tax. Whaddya expect?


7 posted on 07/25/2014 7:34:20 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
>>>God.

That is my answer too. He made the Earth, and its ever changing climate.

8 posted on 07/25/2014 7:35:57 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
why should Marshall Islanders be so ready to take responsibility when, objectively speaking, the bulk of the blame falls on countries like ours?

Those noble Third World islanders are blaming themselves but they really should be blaming the evil West!!!!

That's what these stories always come down to -- another chance to vent hatred of Capitalism and the West. I wonder if the dope who wrote this drives around in a car and turns her air conditioning on in the summer? Does she use electric lights?

9 posted on 07/25/2014 7:36:17 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Regulator; Oldeconomybuyer
Who Is Most To Blame For Climate Change?

I have to confess. It's my fault. And it hasn't actually changed. I stole it. Replaced it with a near replica that I'd been keeping in my freezer up in the barn. So, it smells a bit like a side of beef and some frozen chicken.

So, if you smell BS, it is bull but it isn't sh_t. It's chicken. Bull chicken. Frozen bull chicken, actually.

10 posted on 07/25/2014 7:36:33 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Yeah, climates always been in a state of flux. Why should anybody be blamed?


11 posted on 07/25/2014 7:36:35 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

LOL.

It seems to be the case that while not all idiots have hyphenated names, all people who have hyphenated names are idiots.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 7:37:49 AM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This one picture is all you need when arguing with liberals!


13 posted on 07/25/2014 7:37:54 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Regulator
yup. Do people really talk like this?

And, if I had a last name like "Rudiak-Wanker", I'd change it.

14 posted on 07/25/2014 7:38:30 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Who is most to blame?

The "scientists" that set up an exceedingly complex model using multiple variables that are constantly adjusted to justify their hypothesis, not their observations.

Then they and their apostles claim we are ignorant when we don't accepte this "settled" science.

15 posted on 07/25/2014 7:39:43 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Who Is Most To Blame For Climate Change?

Algore & the rest of the idiots that invented the hoax, who did you think?

16 posted on 07/25/2014 7:40:08 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Liberals are to blame. For their hypocrisy of not taking themselves out of the ecosystem to preserve mother earth!


17 posted on 07/25/2014 7:40:09 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (The last suit you wear has no pockets!)
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To: Objective Scrutator
It certainly makes it easier to spot them, doesn't it?


18 posted on 07/25/2014 7:40:36 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: equaviator

‘Nother cold front next week - soon to be called “global cooling”!


19 posted on 07/25/2014 7:41:01 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Team effort:

AEOLUS (Aiolos) The king of the winds. He was appointed by Zeus to guard the storm winds which he kept locked away inside the floating island of Aeolia, releasing them at the request of the gods to wreak their havoc.

AETHER (Aither) The primeval god of the shining light of the blue sky. He was conceived of as the substance of light, a layer of bright mist which lay between the dome of heaven and the lower air which surrounded the earth.

ASTRAEUS (Astraios) The Titan god of the stars. He was father of the planets and the four seasonal winds by Eos the dawn.

ATLAS A Titan condemned by Zeus to hold the sky aloft upon his shoulders and turn it upon its axis. Homer in the Odyssey seems to suggest that he was released from this labour and appointed keeper of the pillars of heaven, presumably the ones erected by Heracles at the ends of the earth.

AURA The Titan goddess of the breeze.

AURAE (Aurai) The nymphs of the breezes.

BOREAS The god of the north wind whose wintry breath brought the cold of winter. He dwelt in a cave in the mountains of the far northern land of Thrace.

CHAOS (Khaos) The primeval goddess of the gap between heaven and earth. She was the air which men breathed. Below Chaos her lay the flat body of the earth, and above the shining mists of the protogenos Aether. Chaos was the mother of Darkness and Night and of the birds.

CHIONE (Khione) The goddess of snow. She was daughter a daughter of Boreas, god of the wintry north wind.

CHRONOS The old god of time who turned the wheel of the heavenly constellations. He was sometimes equated with Cronus, the father of Zeus.

CYCLOPES (Kyklopes) Three giant sons of Uranus (Heaven) who forged the lightning and thunder of Zeus. Their three brothers, the Hecatoncheires, were the gods of violent storms.

EOS The winged goddess of the dawn. She heralded the rising of the sun with her rosy brilliance.

EURUS (Euros) The god of the east wind and herald of the autumn season.

HECATONCHEIRES (Hekatonkheires) Three hundred-armed, fifty-headed giants. They were the gods of violent storms which they released from the gates of Tartarus.

HELIUS (Helios) The god of the sun whose orb was he wore upon his head as a bright aureole crown. Helios drove a fiery chariot drawn by four winged steeds.

HEMERA The primeval goddess of the day. In the early morn she scattered the mists of her mother Nyx (Lady Night), to reveal the shining light of Aether, the blue sky.

HERA The Queen of Heaven and goddess of the air and starry constellations. The Milky Way was spilt from her breast and most of the other constellations placed in the heavens at her command.

HERSE The goddess of the morning dew.

HESPERIDES The goddesses of sunsets. The three Hesperides tended the tree of the golden apples on Erythea, the Red Isle, in the western stream of the river Oceanus. The apples were a wedding present from Gaea to the sky-gods Zeus and Hera. They were the source of the golden light of sunset, created to celebrate the nuptials of the sky-gods.

HORAE (1) (Horai) Three goddesses of the seasons and the ordering of time named Eirene, Eunomia and Dike. They directed the constellations and guiding the Sun in his heavenly course.

NEPHELAE (Nephelai) The nymphs of the clouds. They were daughters of the earth-encircling, river Oceanus from whose waters they drew the rain.

NOTUS (Notos) The god of the wet and stormy south wind who heralded the month of summer.

OCEANIDES (Okeanides)The daughters of the earth-encircling river Oceanus. Some of these were nymphs of clouds (Nephelae) and moistening breezes (Aurae).

URANUS (Ouranos) The primeval god whose body formed the solid dome of heaven. The Greeks imagined him as a bronze-bodied, star-spangled god whose hands rested upon the earth in the farthest east and feet in the farthest west. He was similar in form to the Egyptian goddess Nut whose starry arching form is common in art. Uranus was a eunuch god, having been castrated by Cronus at the beginning of time.
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ZEUS The King of the Gods and the ruler of the heavens. He was the god of clouds, rain, thunder and lightning.

ZODIAC (Zodiakos) The spirits of the twelve constellations of the zodiac circled heaven measuring the seasons of the year.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 7:42:03 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

..another chance to vent hatred of Capitalism and the West...

Not exactly. It’s a shakedown for more dirty capitalist money.


21 posted on 07/25/2014 7:44:01 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (I'd use the /S tag but is it really necessary?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
where normal tides have risen 1.5 feet over the past century and the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast."

I'll bet the only scientific evidence to support that assertion is political science evidence.

22 posted on 07/25/2014 7:45:58 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Westbrook

I need to tell you that water is the only compound found in nature, that expands as it freezes.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 7:46:14 AM PDT by Banjoguy (The U.S. government is now a criminal enterprise, at war with the population.)
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To: TexasCajun
Don't forget also:


24 posted on 07/25/2014 7:47:09 AM PDT by polymuser ( Enough is enough.)
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To: Da Coyote

National Panhandler Radio.


25 posted on 07/25/2014 7:48:06 AM PDT by carriage_hill ( Some days you're the windshield, and some days you're the bug.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The sun is most responsible. Wonder if they can find a way to tax it out of sunspots or not.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 7:48:59 AM PDT by formosa
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

1-Lying Media
2-Lying Politicians
3-Lying Populatin Control crowd
4-Lying pretend “scientists”
5-Lying anti-Engergy crowd
6-Lying EPA
7-Corporate Prostitutes willing to pretend, in order to profit from large gov’t contracts.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 7:49:02 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Sun.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 7:49:35 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: G Larry
First didn't he say that the land around Norfolk was sinking? Could that be the cause?
So have tide levels on the East coast all risen by 1.5 feet? If not, useful waste of ink.
29 posted on 07/25/2014 7:51:21 AM PDT by Kozy
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To: Banjoguy

> I need to tell you that water is the only compound found in
> nature, that expands as it freezes.

Exactly. And that’s why it displaces the same amount of water, whether frozen or liquid.

Attributing the rising sea levels to melting ice is either ignorant or disingenuous.


30 posted on 07/25/2014 7:51:32 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“NPR notes that the Norfolk area “is particularly vulnerable because the land is sinking as sea levels are rising.”

I put my money on the land sinking (washing away) verses sea level rising.


31 posted on 07/25/2014 7:52:07 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Westbrook

Along those lines. The evaporation rate rises as temperature rises. So If the ice caps were melting and the temperature is going up, then would not the rise in the evaporation rate compensate for the “extra” water? As we know ice and water do not change the level. So we should actually see water levels fall, no?


32 posted on 07/25/2014 7:53:07 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“where normal tides have risen 1.5 feet over the past century and the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast.”

That’s pretty neat that the sea can rise in one specific spot.

I’m looking into my kitchen sink and am trying to get the right side water to rise above the water on the left side to cover a larger dish. Not working though.


33 posted on 07/25/2014 7:54:48 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Who’s responsible for climate change? The same folks that couldn’t get “global warming” to stick.


34 posted on 07/25/2014 7:55:20 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Just what is the real reason to disarm a law abiding citizen like me?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

G.K. Chesterton had it right when he said: “When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing—they believe in anything.”


35 posted on 07/25/2014 7:56:12 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
where normal tides have risen 1.5 feet over the past century and the sea is rising faster than anywhere else on the East Coast."

Harbor masters all over the world have been tracking tide levels for a thousand years... and they do not report any such thing.

36 posted on 07/25/2014 7:56:22 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: polymuser
Another good one.
37 posted on 07/25/2014 7:56:50 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: broken_arrow1

The steelhead are running in the Clinton River already!


38 posted on 07/25/2014 7:56:58 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: defconw

> As we know ice and water do not change the level. So we
> should actually see water levels fall, no?

An astute observation with which I concur.


39 posted on 07/25/2014 8:01:53 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Even though the catchy word was changed from GLOBAL WARMING to CLIMATE CHANGE, in every respect, at all times, these blame-humans-first types are only talking about global warming. They just can’t use the word any more because A) there’s been no warming since 1998 despite every climate model they use predicting it, and B) they’ve fudged all the old data to reduce those temperatures downward to demonstrate warmer temps now.

They say climate change, but they only mean global warming.


40 posted on 07/25/2014 8:03:00 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar)
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To: defconw

All these questions are the reason why they are not able to get a reasonably accurate computer model for climate. TOO Many variable to account for.

What you say is accurate, but also the fact is that cloud cover, water vapor, is the most prominent. As the ice caps melt more clouds and more water vapor is absorbed into the atmosphere more clouds would blanket the planet. At first it would trap heat, but after a period of time would it then begin to block sunshine lowering the temperature causing the ice caps to reform?

It is NOT SCIENCE at all it is pseudoscience.


41 posted on 07/25/2014 8:06:35 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Teacher317

Exactly! Trade through sea travel is as old as civilization itself. Yet, we have scene ports of call that have been virtually unchanged since the days of ancient Rome.


42 posted on 07/25/2014 8:09:32 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: GreenAccord

Now it is called GLOBAL CLIMATE DISRUPTION. An even more ominous yet completely meaningless term.


43 posted on 07/25/2014 8:10:59 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What’s a “Rudiak”? And if I have one and can find the damn thing, can I Wank it?


44 posted on 07/25/2014 8:15:41 AM PDT by metesky (My investment program is holding steady @ $0.05 cents a can.)
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To: metesky

lol


45 posted on 07/25/2014 8:19:47 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Dear NPR,

Your Mama.


46 posted on 07/25/2014 8:25:25 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Jim from C-Town
Interesting. I know when I was in elementary school, long about the first "Earth Day" So you know I am old! They tried to scare us in to believing that we would have a new ice age. Then Gore came along and taking one crackpot theory from a class that he got a D in, this global warming stuff came about. Now they are calling it climate change because we successfully mocked the term "global warming". But calling it climate change is just retarded. Of course the climate changes! Is that not the normal MO of any system?

I am not an expert in science by any means, but how can people who know better stay silent?

I have some other questions as well. These wind mills have they actually made the planet windier? Wind speeds in some areas have actually increased. A roofer told me about how the wind test standards have gone up in the area he's in, in the last 20 years. Now the variable< is this because the insurance companies and the government have raised the standard or is it because the wind has increased? I need to research wind speeds during the last ice age.

Solar power. Solar panels are said to kill birds. They probably have something to do with our honey bee problem as well. So if they are frying birds and bugs, should we not be looking for ways to harness that energy? Because if all that heat is coming off the panels and reflecting back into the sky would that not cause a change of sorts?

I have tried to google this stuff. But I can't get any real data because of all the junk science out there. Anyone here really know the facts on these things?

47 posted on 07/25/2014 8:30:14 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Westbrook
I think they are talking about the volume of ice/water on land that would melt and raise the sea level.

The Antarctic continent ice sheet is the largest volume followed by Greenland. If you were to add up the volume of ice in all the glaciers that is probably a large number.

48 posted on 07/25/2014 8:33:08 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin

> I think they are talking about the volume of ice/water on
> land that would melt and raise the sea level.

Yes, but there is no land under the Arctic ice cap.

> The Antarctic continent ice sheet is the largest volume
> followed by Greenland. If you were to add up the volume of
> ice in all the glaciers that is probably a large number.

But the Antarctic ice sheet has been GROWING, not melting, and there isn’t enough ice in all of Greenland to raise the tides in Norfolk by 1.5 inches, let alone 1.5 feet. This is nonsense.


49 posted on 07/25/2014 8:36:13 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: defconw

> I am not an expert in science by any means, but how can
> people who know better stay silent?

They are not silent.

They are ignored, ridiculed, castigated, ostracized, defunded, and destroyed.


50 posted on 07/25/2014 8:37:39 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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