Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

End Torture, Shut Down the CIA
Townhall.com ^ | July 29, 2014 | Ron Paul

Posted on 07/29/2014 4:57:52 AM PDT by Kaslin

Remember back in April, 2007, when then-CIA director George Tenet appeared on 60 Minutes, angrily telling the program host, "we don't torture people"? Remember a few months later, in October, President George W. Bush saying, "this government does not torture people"? We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.

Still the US administration denied that torture was torture, preferring to call it "enhanced interrogation" and claiming that it had disrupted so many terrorist plots. Of course, we later found out that the CIA had not only lied about the torture of large numbers of people after 9/11, but it had vastly exaggerated any valuable information that came from such practices.

However secret rendition of prisoners to other places was ongoing

The US not only tortured people in its own custody, however. Last week the European Court of Human Rights found that the US government transferred individuals to secret detention centers in Poland (and likely elsewhere) where they were tortured away from public scrutiny. The government of Poland was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to two victims for doing nothing to stop their torture on Polish soil.

How tragic that Poland, where the Nazis constructed the Auschwitz concentration camp in which so many innocents were tortured and murdered, would acquiesce to hosting secret torture facilities. The idea that such brutality would be permitted on Polish soil just 70 years after the Nazi occupation should remind us of how dangerous and disingenuous governments continue to be.

This is the first time the European court has connected any EU country to US torture practices. The Obama administration refuses to admit that such facilities existed and instead claims that any such "enhanced interrogation" programs were shut down by 2009. We can only hope this is true, but we should be wary of government promises. After all, they promised us all along that they were not using torture, and we might have never known had photographs and other information not been leaked to the press.

There are more reasons to be wary of this administration's claims about rejecting torture and upholding human rights. The president has openly justified killing American citizens without charge or trial and he has done so on at least three occasions. There is not much of a gap between torture and extrajudicial murder when it comes to human rights abuses.

Meanwhile, former CIA director George Tenet and other senior current and former CIA officials are said to be frantically attempting to prepare a response to a planned release of an unclassified version of a 6,500 page Senate Intelligence Committee study on the torture practices of that agency. The CIA was already caught tapping into the computers of Senate investigators last year, looking to see what information might be contained in the report. Those who have seen the report have commented that it details far more brutal CIA practices that have been revealed to this point.

Revelations of US secret torture sites overseas and a new Senate investigation revealing widespread horrific CIA torture practices should finally lead to the abolishment of this agency. Far from keeping us safer, CIA covert actions across the globe have led to destruction of countries and societies and unprecedented resentment toward the United States. For our own safety, end the CIA!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abughraib; agitprop; antiamericanism; bushhasser; bushsfault; cia; humanrights; hyperbole; isolationist; libertarian; paultard; ronpaul; torture; wot

1 posted on 07/29/2014 4:57:52 AM PDT by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

What a heaping pile

“We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.”

Harrassment yes at Abu Ghraib. Idiots in charge yes. But it was not torture, it was stupid frat boy stuff.


2 posted on 07/29/2014 4:59:31 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

-—keep harping on this ,Ron -—and you’ll lose me -—


3 posted on 07/29/2014 5:01:24 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Should read: End Torture, Shut Down the Left


4 posted on 07/29/2014 5:01:27 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The author really needs to read the Al-Quida training manual on treatment of prisoners. They seem to have a special affinity for power tools, especially drills.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 5:09:16 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun free zones?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk
Ron Paul is obviously a "Pollywog" and not a "Shellback".

Neither has he been through Parris Island.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 5:10:16 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Our Emperor may have no clothes, but doesn't he have a wonderful tan" - MSM)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

We could solve the problem of mistreatment of detained terrorists ... by killing them.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 5:11:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I’d be happy to hear Allen West’s opinion of this piece. LOL


8 posted on 07/29/2014 5:13:20 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Guns are not the problem. People are. Forget the magazine...check your attitude.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: rellimpank

He lost me long ago because I could not count on his deck of cards having the necessary number of the credibility trump cards in respect to the hyperbole, pandering and self aggrandizement hands he keeps laying on the table.

Kinda like those people who are desperate to hear their own heads roar. In his case, his roar is the only one audible on a flight line.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 5:13:39 AM PDT by mazda77 (http://www.rymanshoaf.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Aw Jeez, not Ron Paul again.


10 posted on 07/29/2014 5:15:29 AM PDT by McGruff (Ukrainian rebels just want to be free to choose their own destiny. Do you support Freedom?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
"We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier"

I'm not going to read any further than that. We all saw the pics and it wasn't torture.

11 posted on 07/29/2014 5:16:43 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Why don’t we just put up all our prisoners at the Paris Hilton?


12 posted on 07/29/2014 5:24:29 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I agree - no renditions. Captured Al Qaeda should have been interrogated and shot on spot.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 5:27:31 AM PDT by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

14 posted on 07/29/2014 5:34:29 AM PDT by NorthMountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Or maybe

Would be more effective ...

15 posted on 07/29/2014 5:36:24 AM PDT by NorthMountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Here’s a golden oldie from Ron Paul talking to Iran state TV in which he accuses Israel of making a “concentration camp” of Gaza...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1t4O9CcZQ0


16 posted on 07/29/2014 5:36:51 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: yldstrk

Bingo. Further, even if one wants to claim the CIA was involved in torture, only a small number of people were involved. Shutting down the entire place is inappropriate.


17 posted on 07/29/2014 5:48:21 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: The_Victor

That's not torture

That's torture.


18 posted on 07/29/2014 6:14:01 AM PDT by Bratch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

End torture... stop printing the rantings of Ron Paul.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 6:42:36 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NorthMountain

Been more guys in that Paris Hilton, than the hotel.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 6:43:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Remember back in April, 2007, when then-CIA director George Tenet appeared on 60 Minutes, angrily telling the program host, "we don't torture people"? Remember a few months later, in October, President George W. Bush saying, "this government does not torture people"? We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.

The Abu Ghraib persons were NOT following protocol, at least one of them was a member of lavender mafia (like Chelsea Morning Manning), AND they were LONG under criminal prosecution before the photos were leaked to the partisan press by an irate uncle of one of the perps who tried to blackmail the administration if his relative didn't get a lighter sentence.

21 posted on 07/29/2014 7:35:01 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
a new Senate investigation revealing widespread horrific CIA torture practices should finally lead to the abolishment of this agency.

Will it have anymore teeth than the Senate investigation into the Obama administration and Injustice Department running guns to narcoterrorists in Mexico to stir up a media frenzy about gun rampage?

22 posted on 07/29/2014 7:38:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Elian Gonzalez sought asylum and was sent back to Cuba, send these kids back to THEIR parents.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

“We knew then it was not true because we had already seen the photos of Iraqis tortured at Abu Ghraib prison four years earlier.”


The “ring leader,” whose name escapes me, was a National Guardsman. His “regular job” was a guard at a state prison. Even though he had worked there for several years he was categorized as “probationary status.” Although the facility could not disclose his employment record it’s likely he was caught up in some kind of misconduct involving prisoners. Usually when organizations “settle” they include nondisclosure agreements.

The National Guard members claimed they were tasked by higher ups to make “training aids.” The young private in the center of the scandal, Lindy England, was Admin. She had no clearance or authorization to be in that part of the complex. Along with the “torture” photos were a lot of graphic pictures of the married prison guard and little miss paper pusher engaged in various sexual acts.

The General in charge of the complex did not have an appropriate clearance to enter the facility. Unlike England, she never toured the prison. She didn’t have a clearance due to a shoplifting incident at a BX/PX facility.

The whole issue wasn’t so much “torture” as “gross incompetence and criminal misconduct.”


23 posted on 07/29/2014 7:47:28 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

End torture - disband the IRS.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 7:59:06 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Resolute Conservative

Like yesterday


25 posted on 07/29/2014 8:03:15 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Bratch

What the hell is that second picture?


26 posted on 07/29/2014 10:57:50 AM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

If we do it to our own guys as training then it is not the sort of torture I would get my panties in a bunch over.

And yeah, we waterboard our own agents so they know what it is like.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 2:45:39 PM PDT by TalonDJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson