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IRS Strikes Deal With Atheists To Monitor Churches
Investors.com ^ | July 31, 2014 | IBD Editorial

Posted on 07/31/2014 6:16:51 PM PDT by jazusamo

First Amendment: Government's assault on religious liberty has hit a new low as the IRS settles with atheists by promising to monitor sermons for mentions of the right to life and traditional marriage.

A lawsuit filed by the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) asserted that the Internal Revenue Service ignored complaints about churches' violating their tax-exempt status by routinely promoting political issues, legislation and candidates from the pulpit.

The FFRF has temporarily withdrawn its suit in return for the IRS's agreement to monitor sermons and homilies for proscribed speech that the foundation believes includes things like condemnation of gay marriage and criticism of ObamaCare for its contraceptive mandate.

The irony of this agreement is that it's being enforced by the same Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division of the IRS that was once headed by Lois "Fifth Amendment" Lerner and that openly targeted Tea Party and other conservative groups.

Among the questions that the IRS asked of those targeted groups was the content of their prayers.

Those who objected to the monitoring of what is said and done in mosques for signs of terrorist activity have no problem with this one, though monitoring what's said in houses of worship is a clear violation of the First Amendment. Can you say "chilling effect"?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; atheists; chillingeffect; churchstate; condtitution; corruption; ffrf; firstamendment; govtabuse; ibd; impeach; irs; religion; religiousliberty; taxes; tyranny; waronreligion
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Ridiculous, meaning the IRS and atheists.
1 posted on 07/31/2014 6:16:52 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Can we get the IDF to “fix” the IRS?


2 posted on 07/31/2014 6:19:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jazusamo

Churches should pat the tax and immediately speak loudly against the persecution of speech through taxation and all other federal offenses against God.


3 posted on 07/31/2014 6:21:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: jazusamo
Who's going to watch the watchers?

What's to stop the atheists from lodging phony complaints ad-nauseum?

C'mon, even a third grader can see the problems with this "monitoring."

4 posted on 07/31/2014 6:22:00 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: jazusamo
I'll bet this was a really hard "deal" for the atheists to strike with the atheists down at the IRS.

Xsarc/off

Conservatives need to complain every time an African American politician shows up at an African American church and starts breaking wind.

5 posted on 07/31/2014 6:22:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: jazusamo

Bet they won’t be monitoring any “liberation theology” churches for political activity.


6 posted on 07/31/2014 6:22:25 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: usconservative

OK, who is assigned to the Mosques?


7 posted on 07/31/2014 6:23:28 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: jazusamo

ditto


8 posted on 07/31/2014 6:24:06 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jazusamo

A good reason why all Christians should be armed, and I’m not talking about a revolver in the night stand.


9 posted on 07/31/2014 6:25:08 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ('Merica!)
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To: jazusamo

So does that mean that politicians can’t give political speeches from the pulpits of black churches anymore?


10 posted on 07/31/2014 6:29:44 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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The govt. will do anything to get atheists into Church. /sarc


11 posted on 07/31/2014 6:29:53 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: jazusamo

So we are going to have our houses of worship desecrated by the presence of spies? Our clergy cannot preach according to their sense of duty and conscience? I know Russian Orthodox Christians who grew up in the USSR. Maybe they can advise Americans on how to deal with this.


12 posted on 07/31/2014 6:42:12 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: jazusamo

Ridiculous, meaning the IRS and atheists.

Communists sticking together


13 posted on 07/31/2014 6:43:16 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: RBStealth

So...I’m confused.

Will it be atheists clandestinely occupying pew space while monitoring preachers’ sermons for politically incorrect content, or actual IRS agents?

Informants’ snitching tends to be less accurate than that of paid agents with a chain of command to satisfy.

Tidbit: informants in the old East Germany were compromised citizens out to save their own hides. Informants in the Third Reich were eager volunteers out for booty.

In either case, the ratio was about five snitches per government agent.


14 posted on 07/31/2014 6:46:30 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: cripplecreek

churches are tax exempt and always have been, they predate such taxes, and they are free to discuss social matters of the day, inculding political ones. pastors can also personally state their own opinions on candidates as long as they preface it by saying so. churches can also hand out voters guides.

liberty counsel has excellent tools and information concerning this.


15 posted on 07/31/2014 6:49:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
...A good reason why all Christians should be armed, and I’m not talking about a revolver in the night stand...

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16 posted on 07/31/2014 6:51:52 PM PDT by golux
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17 posted on 07/31/2014 6:52:37 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Let’s say we start with Obama’s Chicago church and Reverend Wright.


18 posted on 07/31/2014 6:55:23 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: jazusamo

The pastor at my church regularly speaks out about the right to life and traditional marriage.

How would this concern the IRS?


19 posted on 07/31/2014 6:56:17 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Parley Baer

I like it but the IRS would definitely not.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 6:56:51 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Shut down the IRS.

Make them all go get real, productive jobs.

Problem solved.


21 posted on 07/31/2014 6:58:31 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: cripplecreek

I do agree.


22 posted on 07/31/2014 6:59:07 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: jazusamo

“mentions of the right to life and traditional marriage”

This relates to the moral teachings of the religion. It SHOULD be a breach of the First Amendment for the government to tax that. How long will our courts uphold our First Amendment freedoms?


23 posted on 07/31/2014 7:03:04 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Paladin2
Can we get the IDF to “fix” the IRS?

I think it may come down to the other alphabet soup "group" to fix the IRS.

You know, the AR, AK, FN-FAL, SKS, MAC, HK, S&W, etc.

24 posted on 07/31/2014 7:07:45 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: jazusamo

This is going to be much much worse than most realize.

Stop and think about how many churches are in your neighborhood.

And try to imagine how many there are in the US if most areas are similar to yours.

There must be millions.

Now imagine an IRS agent in each church to monitor the sermon.

Obviously not possible, although it might be a good thing. Maybe some of the agents would get religion and mend their thieving ways.

So the end result will be that the IRS will start out with asking pastors to send a copy to the IRS of the sermon preached last Sunday along with an outline of the weekly activities.

But as it always happens in a government staffed by brain dead bureaucrats, it will end up that churches will have to submit their sermons and activities in advance.

Like we now must pay income taxes in advance.

The end result will be that the preacher can only preach what has been approved by the IRS.

It is called censorship.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 7:08:40 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: jazusamo

Maybe the IRS will get some religion from sitting in a few pews.

Seriously, what business do they have in “monitoring” a church for mentioning the right to life or traditional marriage? Since when did we lose our freedom of speech?


26 posted on 07/31/2014 7:12:41 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: old curmudgeon

Six years ago I’d have said “no way” but now I’m not so sure, it is now a distinct possibility.


27 posted on 07/31/2014 7:14:32 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

If you are a 501c3 expect this. But at anytime, you can dissolve that 501c3 entity, start another, or start a non-501c3 entity.


28 posted on 07/31/2014 7:16:57 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Girlene

Hi Girlene...In my view they have no business monitoring free speech nor religion and hopefully they’ll find that out real soon.


29 posted on 07/31/2014 7:17:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ForYourChildren

bump


30 posted on 07/31/2014 7:18:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: old curmudgeon

They will take reports from any leftist group about what happened in church.


31 posted on 07/31/2014 7:19:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Joel 3:10 - Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears.


32 posted on 07/31/2014 7:19:27 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: jazusamo

The IRS is like the rest of the Obama Administration,Lawless.


33 posted on 07/31/2014 7:25:43 PM PDT by El Zoro
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To: molson209

Their intent is obvious; to lay the foundation to stifle free speech in churches and stop political talk. It’s obvious that the Feds wan’t to take away their tax exempt status if they speak against god government. Sort of reminds me why 3 ships sailed from Great Britain a few centuries ago o escape that mess. Of course, Muslims can preach about enslaving, taxing, lying to, and killing Christians with impunity. They can even store weapon caches in their basements and teach self-demolition techniques for maximum blast radius no problem. All because the AntiChrist in office is Muslim.


34 posted on 07/31/2014 7:39:03 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jazusamo

This “should” be the beginning of the end for gov’t employee unions.

If America survives long enough to elect a conservative majority, many of these agencies should just be shut down.

Those that remain need top management fired and replaced.

At the same time every gov’t employee should be able to be fired, which means the unions must go.


35 posted on 07/31/2014 7:41:25 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: usconservative

Will the monitor wear a arm band or other identification?

This is almost Gestapo


36 posted on 07/31/2014 7:42:09 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: stubernx98

Who is assigned to the rev. wright’s church?
As well as all of the other churches that preach the left side of the political spectrum?


37 posted on 07/31/2014 7:42:19 PM PDT by Cyclone59 (Where are we going, and what's with the handbasket?)
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To: boycott

When you have a organization under the status of 501(c)(3) tax-exemption they have limits on what can be spoken in public.

http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501%28c%29%283%29-Organizations

“Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.”


38 posted on 07/31/2014 7:56:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
When you have a organization under the status of 501(c)(3) tax-exemption they have limits on what can be spoken in public.

These limits are never applied to leftist organizations.

Churches should not be registered, period.

39 posted on 07/31/2014 7:57:42 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: El Zoro

They’ve been that way for decades!


40 posted on 07/31/2014 7:57:57 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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41 posted on 07/31/2014 9:36:46 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

(1) Speaking out against abortion and gay marriage aren’t just political issues. They’re moral issues and the church has a right to speak out against it.

(2) Unions receive tax-exemption status. Why are they allowed lobbying and political activities?

(3) Many doubt that the restriction on free speech would ever hold up if it went to the Supreme Court. The liberals really don’t want to find out. That’s why their threats against the church are usually hollow.


42 posted on 07/31/2014 10:56:02 PM PDT by boycott
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To: jazusamo

These were Biblical issues before they became political issues.


43 posted on 08/01/2014 1:01:35 AM PDT by Mark85937 (If your cultural views conflict with the Bible, you need to examine your cultural views.)
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To: jazusamo

Frankly, I am all for atheists attending church for whatever reason. I have no fear that they are stronger than the Word of God. Perhaps this is the means that the Holy Spirit will use to convict them of sin, the exisence and sovereignity of God, and the transforming power of Jesus Christ.

They will, one day, be aknowledging Him. It is just a question as to whether they will be in the body of believers or out.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 2:32:52 AM PDT by Jemian (Kidney infection, malaria and dengue all in the same week)
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To: jazusamo

IRS, doing the work of the devil.


45 posted on 08/01/2014 2:59:36 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: usconservative
C'mon, even a third grader can see the problems with this "monitoring."

These are feds. They won't be up to the level of a third grader for, well, probably ever.

46 posted on 08/01/2014 3:19:25 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: jazusamo

Because the IRS laws passed by Congress restrict from the free exercise of religion, those laws are violations of the 1st Amendment.


47 posted on 08/01/2014 3:29:22 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: jazusamo

how about having the worthless IRS go after black clergy for using their pulpit as democrat recruiting platforms?
The federal gub mint is broken and can’t be fixed.
Time for a revolt!!!


48 posted on 08/01/2014 4:03:31 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: jazusamo

Now surely this is across the board monitoring...ALL religions, denominations, etc..ALL churches, mosques, places of worship, etc..

Now to avoid conflicts we are going to need multiple monitors at each and every service, gathering, or event at each and every place of worship... one monitor of every religion(don’t want one getting an upper hand on another), race, ethnicity, gender, gender identified for that matter, political persuasion, etc...because ones inert restating may differ from others..(maybe if there is a difference of interpretation there can be an IRS division for that? Or courts?)

Wow, this can be a HUGE undertaking...unless of course it’s meant to single out Catholics.


49 posted on 08/01/2014 4:15:50 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: jazusamo
... the IRS settles with atheists by promising to monitor sermons for mentions of the right to life and traditional marriage.

If the IRS will monitor church sermons for something like marriage and abortion, why doesn't the NSA/FBI monitor mosques for sedition?

50 posted on 08/01/2014 4:22:57 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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