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Is the ecomomy the untold casualty of abortion?
Live Action News ^ | 8/1/14 | Gina L Diorio

Posted on 08/01/2014 7:57:46 AM PDT by wagglebee

The pro-life movement often talks of the science behind life in the womb, the fact that abortion leaves emotional, psychological and physical scars on women and the inherent beauty of every life. What we don’t often talk about, though, is money.

After all, doesn’t it seem somewhat crass to couch pro-life arguments in terms of economic benefit? The reality, though, is that abortion hasn’t impacted our society only in emotional, social, and cultural ways. It’s also impacted our society economically. And one political scientist is now claiming this very thing.

Mark A. Olson, a former liberal community organizer turned pro-life consultant, has published research that abortion in America has cost our nation more than $16 trillion in federal revenue – or approximately the amount of our current national debt.

In a slide presentation summarizing his research, he first notes that the figure of 50 million abortions far under-represents the cumulative population loss due to abortion, which he places at a staggering 126,469,904 as of January 1, 2014.

Based on this number, Olson applies the per capita individual tax burden to the lost population number for each year, a method which he says controls for other demographic variables. His finding: as of January 1, 2014, $15,734,000,000,000 in federal revenue has been lost due to abortion.

A press release issued today by Olson stated, “Basic macroeconomics says that any such loss in population will result in a collapse of the necessary aggregate supply and demand to sustain long term national economic growth. The population loss due to abortion would have the same negative economic impact as any population loss due to war, epidemic, or natural disaster. “

Olson concludes that the fiscal problems our nation is facing can be solved neither by conservative nor liberal policies – but only through ending abortion on demand.

The reality is that abortion doesn’t ‘only’ kill children. It doesn’t only devastate women. It doesn’t only shock and grieve men. It doesn’t only deaden national conscience and deprave our collective culture. It does all of these, and more.

Certainly, life is sacred apart from economics – and it always will be. And truth be told, waving signs that read “Save a life, save the economy” probably won’t change many minds and hearts.

At the same time, evaluating the impact of abortion without evaluating the resulting economic losses is an incomplete study. Tragically, we know that not even one dollar of that lost $15 trillion is enough to bring back one of the precious lives lost through abortion.

But one thing we can do is make sure that not one more dollar funds the taking of innocent lives – and not one more dollar propagates the lie that abortion does no harm.


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Olson concludes that the fiscal problems our nation is facing can be solved neither by conservative nor liberal policies – but only through ending abortion on demand.

He couldn't be more right and deep down the politicians in Washington know this.

The reason that so many are pushing for amnesty is that they know we need more taxpayers and this is because we've murdered a third of our own.

1 posted on 08/01/2014 7:57:46 AM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/01/2014 7:58:24 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, you should read this (especially the linked slide show) if you have a chance.
3 posted on 08/01/2014 7:59:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 08/01/2014 7:59:25 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

In their view it keeps unemployment numbers down since the aborted citizens couldn’t find a job anyway.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 7:59:52 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Resolute Conservative
The reality is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to grow an economy without an expanding population.
6 posted on 08/01/2014 8:01:26 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Bump!


7 posted on 08/01/2014 8:08:20 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Of course it is! Also, birth control. The Baby Boomers were sold a bill of goods when they were told not to procreate. Now they are facing an old age of poverty!


8 posted on 08/01/2014 8:08:31 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: wagglebee

I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I read that vast majority of abortions are in the low income, low information citizenry, thus those additions to the population would not be working and purchasing but merely taking. And I am in NO WAY advocating abortion.


9 posted on 08/01/2014 8:09:48 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: miss marmelstein

This discussion is repeating points I have made for years;but mainly if you kill your children you kill your own future.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 8:11:59 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham

It is sort of simple, isn’t it?


11 posted on 08/01/2014 8:13:18 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Over a third of abortions have been on blacks; however, the majority are white women in college or their twenties from middle to upper income families.
12 posted on 08/01/2014 8:13:44 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The over-whelming majority of woman getting abortions are liberals. Consider what this country would look like if all those aborted babies had grown up to be liberals. One way or another the population of liberals must decrease or very bad things will happen.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 8:14:47 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: wagglebee

“Wimins” studies students no doubt. I still say most are people who would never work or purchase, that in itself is another problem.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 8:15:41 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: wagglebee
The reason that so many are pushing for amnesty is that they know we need more taxpayers and this is because we've murdered a third of our own.i>

We are not suffering from a loss of workers. We have a lack of jobs with the lowest labor participation rates since 1978. In order to pay taxes, you need jobs. The vast majority of those receiving amnesty would be net takers in terms of benefits received versus taxes paid. 51% of the illegal aliens lack even a high school degree.

Blacks use abortion the most. It is estimated that the black population would be double what it is today without abortion. The black unemployment rate (U-3) is currently 11.7%.

15 posted on 08/01/2014 8:16:43 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Resolute Conservative

Remember that abortion is also the sacrament of many upscale Americans. I just read that Israel - surely one of the most successful countries in history - is wildly pro-abortion and it registers as #1 in why they don’t trust Christians. Not that I am attacking them in this time of trouble! So, many children who could feed the economy worldwide are dying - not just the poor.


16 posted on 08/01/2014 8:17:13 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: thejokker; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; ...
The over-whelming majority of woman getting abortions are liberals. Consider what this country would look like if all those aborted babies had grown up to be liberals. One way or another the population of liberals must decrease or very bad things will happen.

Are you saying that abortion is fine as long as it's liberal women having abortions? A simple YES or NO will suffice.

17 posted on 08/01/2014 8:17:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kabar
People spending money is what creates job.
18 posted on 08/01/2014 8:19:38 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Abortion has changed our culture, not just the population headcount.

If you aren’t responsible for your baby (father or mother)
then how are you responsible for anything else?

Just as the middle east won’t be solved by pretending Islam is the religion of peace. (actually it is the religion of war against women and war against jews)

Our issues won’t be solved because our culture has become one of no one is responsible for anything!


19 posted on 08/01/2014 8:23:03 AM PDT by jonose
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To: miss marmelstein

I read a good article one time that talked about the high odds of another Einstein type person that was aborted and how many technology/humanitarian advances we have missed out by not having these geniuses/innovators walking among us via this abomination.


20 posted on 08/01/2014 8:24:30 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: wagglebee

The lesser of two despicable evils...


21 posted on 08/01/2014 8:24:40 AM PDT by thejokker
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To: wagglebee
Where do they get the money from? India and China have huge populations, so I guess they should have even greater wealth than the US.

In 1970 the population of the US was 203 million. Today, it is 317 million, and by 2060 it will be 421 million. The U.S. is projected to become a majority-minority nation for the first time in 2043. While the non-Hispanic white population will remain the largest single group, no group will make up a majority.

All in all, minorities, now 37 percent of the U.S. population, are projected to comprise 57 percent of the population in 2060. (Minorities consist of all but the single-race, non-Hispanic white population.) The total minority population would more than double, from 116.2 million to 241.3 million over the period.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 8:26:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: wagglebee

I wonder what the economic impact of no-fault divorce has had on our nation?


23 posted on 08/01/2014 8:26:51 AM PDT by punknpuss
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To: Resolute Conservative

People always use Leonardo Da Vinci as an example - the product of an assignation, not a marriage. What if his mother had taken a herbal abortifacent?! Imagine a world without the amazing Leonardo. Not a world I’d like to live in!


24 posted on 08/01/2014 8:27:21 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: wagglebee
“Are you saying that abortion is fine as long as it's liberal women having abortions? A simple YES or NO will suffice. “

It's not just liberal women seeking abortions.

A man who runs the local pregnancy crisis center told me about a local preacher who made his unwed daughter get an abortion. The preacher did not want to embarrass his church so the baby had to die.

25 posted on 08/01/2014 8:27:33 AM PDT by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: kabar; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; xzins; ..
What's your point? Are you suggesting that abortion is fine as long as it's minority babies?
26 posted on 08/01/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: miss marmelstein; Resolute Conservative
Worldwide nearly 1.5 BILLION babies have been aborted in the last three decades. That means that tens of thousands of people with the intelligence of Da Vinci and Einstein have been killed.
27 posted on 08/01/2014 8:33:32 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
What's your point? Are you suggesting that abortion is fine as long as it's minority babies?

No, I am responding to your statement below:

The reason that so many are pushing for amnesty is that they know we need more taxpayers and this is because we've murdered a third of our own

Providing amnesty to the Government estimate of 12 million illegal aliens would cost us more money than it would generate in taxes. The Heritage Foundation estimated it would cost the taxpayers $6.3 trillion just for those receiving amnesty.


28 posted on 08/01/2014 8:40:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: wagglebee
That's exactly right.

I'd also point out that this demonstrates the futility of addressing the issue in the political realm. A nation that kills off 50 million of its own offspring and then gives unfettered access across its borders for tens of millions of foreign invaders doesn't need a change in political leadership. It needs a collective psychiatric examination.

29 posted on 08/01/2014 8:42:58 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child
What about a nation that brings in 1.1 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS A YEAR along with 640,000 guest workers annually? There is no correlation between our job needs and our immigration policy. In fact, we are importing poverty and depressing American wages.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 8:50:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: wagglebee

The economy is a casualty of the base, hedonistic, nothing is immoral society, that fosters abortion and other heinous acts, that elects those even worse than themselves as “leaders”.


31 posted on 08/01/2014 8:52:09 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: kabar
The majority of ‘Hispanics’ No such thing really, are white they are the children and grand children of European ancestors who immigrated to Central and South America over that last 150 years. Some are the decedents of Caribbean and Central American slaves from Africa and a mix of aboriginal Americans and Europeans. So called ‘Hispanics’ include Pope Francis.
32 posted on 08/01/2014 8:52:14 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: kabar
I'm not saying that amnesty would help the fiscal crisis, I'm saying that many (especially on the left) secretly believe that illegal aliens will somehow offset the crisis.
33 posted on 08/01/2014 8:52:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: miss marmelstein

What killed America isn’t that our population isn’t equal yet to China or India, or that we didn’t already have a huge and well balance population in 1965, in a beautiful country where we could work on moon projects and still go fishing and hunting in the evenings.

What killed us was the importation of JFK’s replacement voters and welfare customers that resulted from his Immigration bill that was passed after his death.


34 posted on 08/01/2014 9:00:01 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: kabar
This has nothing to do with employment. It has everything to do with bringing people in to replace the 50 million consumers we've killed off.

I can't think of a single industry or government agency in the U.S. today that doesn't have a major financial interest in allowing millions of people to flood across our borders.

And therein lies the problem, eh?

35 posted on 08/01/2014 9:00:21 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Jim from C-Town
I agree the creation of the category of Hispanics is contrived. They can be of any race. It was created in the 1970s to create another group of people entitled to benefits from the government, e.g., affirmative action and minority business set asides. We are reinforcing and incentivizing that identity, which redounds to the benefit of the Democrats since Hispanics vote more than 70% for the Dems.

Here is the way the Virginia Department of Minority Business defines a minority individual as “an individual who is a citizen of the United States or a non-citizen who is in full compliance with United States immigration law and who satisfies one or more of the following definitions:”

Hispanic American” means a person having origins in any of the Spanish-speaking peoples of Mexico, South or Central America, or the Caribbean Islands or other Spanish or Portuguese cultures and who is regarded as such by the community of which this person claims to be a part.

Hispanics as a group support Big Government. They are a natural Dem constituency.


36 posted on 08/01/2014 9:01:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: wagglebee
I'm not saying that amnesty would help the fiscal crisis, I'm saying that many (especially on the left) secretly believe that illegal aliens will somehow offset the crisis.

No the Dems want amnesty because they will be future Democrat voters. The GOPe wants amnesty to please their corporate paymasters by keeping the free flow of cheap, exploitable labor going to enhance their bottom line.

87% of the 1.1 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS we bring in each year are minorities as defined by the USG. And almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. Immigrants and minorities vote more than two to one Dem. In 2012 whites voted 59%-39% for Romney. White women voted 56% to 42% for Romney. 96% of blacks, 73% of Asians, and 71% of Hispanics voted for Obama. Minorities currently make up about 37% of the voters. That will only increase.

By 2019 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG. As a result, each cohort that turns 18 annually will be more Democrat than the previous one. The status quo on immigration even without amnesty will guarantee that the Dems will be the permanent majority party. Demography is destiny.

37 posted on 08/01/2014 9:11:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alberta's Child
This has nothing to do with employment. It has everything to do with bringing people in to replace the 50 million consumers we've killed off.

Consumers need jobs and money to consume goods and services. We have increased our population by 115 million over the past 44 years. We have 68.5 million not holding a job. There is no shortage of labor.

I can't think of a single industry or government agency in the U.S. today that doesn't have a major financial interest in allowing millions of people to flood across our borders. And therein lies the problem, eh?

Motivated by parochial self-interest, the pro-mass immigration, open borders, amnesty advocates have formed a powerful coalition including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, labor union leaders, the Catholic Church, ethnic and racial groups, “moderate” Republicans, and the Democrat Party. The common thread that unites these groups is power, money, and the prospect of increased constituencies, even at the expense of our long-term national interests and survival.

38 posted on 08/01/2014 9:21:06 AM PDT by kabar
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To: wagglebee

The far left wouldn’t care about the economic cost because they see a bigger benefit in killing those babies. People, especially in the wealthy Untied States, generate CO2. It’s not just that we exhale, which is bad enough. We also use energy to grow our food, to manufacture our various products that we use, and to move around. We are a blight on the planet, and babies are the worst pollutants because they have the most years ahead of them.

The far left no doubt celebrates the 126 million producers/consumers who are not around to destroy our ecosystem. Nobel Prize winner Al Gore warned us. Nobel Prize winner Obama backs him. Who are we to question the experts and settled science? And the economic cost? All they have to do is redistribute wealth from those who are hording more than their share and those who won life’s lottery by getting lucky when they started businesses (and they didn’t build those anyways), and sharing fairly will make up for the loss. “When you spread the wealth around, everyone benefits” - at least according to the most popular communist in what used to be our country.


39 posted on 08/01/2014 9:42:08 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: kabar
Keep in mind that the U.S. has the highest standard of living in the history of mankind right now. The natural tendency in this type of system is towards Keynesian economics fueled by consumer spending, debt financing and smoke & mirrors. Jobs aren't even necessary to keep the house of cards standing. Even with a very low labor participation rate, our capacity to produce far exceeds our ability to even consume what we produce.

Economic growth is fueled by: (1) population growth, and (2) productivity growth. For several decades we've been past the point where human productivity growth even matters anymore ... productivity growth is now almost entirely driven by automation and advances in technology and communications.

There's no doubt that the house of cards will eventually come crashing down, but that's not going to be driven by immigration (legal or otherwise).

40 posted on 08/01/2014 10:15:01 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: thejokker; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; ...
The lesser of two despicable evils...

So...you consider KILLING the children of liberal women to be a lesser evil than letting them live.

Do you realize what this makes YOU?

41 posted on 08/01/2014 10:17:54 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

wow


42 posted on 08/01/2014 10:27:46 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: wagglebee

What would the world be like if Hitler’s mother had aborted him? Most of the mothers having abortions are monsters and their children probably would be monsters as well. Look at the murder and mayhem in the inner cities. More abortions by liberal monsters would result in less death and destruction.

You are over-simplifying an incredibly complex issue. Many of the babies you want to save will grow up to be communists and cold-blooded killers. I am not so arrogant that I pretend to know what is or is not God’s will. I can only try and live my life by what I believe will please him and have faith that much of what I do not understand is by his will.

I suggest you do the same. You are casting stones...


43 posted on 08/01/2014 12:03:12 PM PDT by thejokker
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To: Alberta's Child
Keep in mind that the U.S. has the highest standard of living in the history of mankind right now.

You need to qualify that by describing what you mean by the highest standard of living.

The natural tendency in this type of system is towards Keynesian economics fueled by consumer spending, debt financing and smoke & mirrors. Jobs aren't even necessary to keep the house of cards standing. Even with a very low labor participation rate, our capacity to produce far exceeds our ability to even consume what we produce.

Wages have been declining in real terms since 1969. I would say that our living standard is declining. And we have mortgaged our future stealing from future generations to maintain what we have. The chickens will come home to roost. In fact, they have started coming home now. Our entitlement programs are bankrupting us. Our national debt continues to increase as far as the eye can see and our debt servicing costs will eventually smother us. The only reason we have stayed afloat is because the USD is the world's currency. The Fed can print money to buy our T-bills. They have spent about $4 trillion.

Economic growth is fueled by: (1) population growth, and (2) productivity growth. For several decades we've been past the point where human productivity growth even matters anymore ... productivity growth is now almost entirely driven by automation and advances in technology and communications.

Population growth can sap an economy and a nation trying to keep up with the infrastructure needs. Immigration drives 80% of our population growth and immigrants use the welfare system to a greater extent than the native born. In 1970 one in 21 was foreign born in this country; today it is one in 8, the highest in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history.

Here is a list in rank order of those countries with the highest population growth. The US is 143. China is 159. Take a look at the top 125 and see how many great economies there are within that number.

There's no doubt that the house of cards will eventually come crashing down, but that's not going to be driven by immigration (legal or otherwise).

Of course it is. You can't bring in a huge number of immigrants, many of whom are poor and uneducated without affecting the economy, the social fabric of the country, and electoral politics.

Some factoids on the impact of immigrants in the US:

• In 2010, 23 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lived in poverty, compared to 13.5 percent of natives and their children. Immigrants and their children accounted for one-fourth of all persons in poverty. The children of immigrants account for one-third of all children in poverty.

• In 2010, 36 percent of immigrant-headed households used at least one major welfare program (primarily food assistance and Medicaid) compared to 23 percent of native households.

• In 2010, 29 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lacked health insurance, compared to 13.8 percent of natives and their children.

• New immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for two-thirds of the increase in the uninsured since 2000.

• There are 10.4 million students from immigrant households in public schools, accounting for one in five public school students. Of these students, 78 percent speak a language other than English at home.

• Overall, one in four public school students now speaks a language other than English at home.

• Of adult immigrants (25 to 65), 28 percent have not completed high school, compared to 7 percent of natives.

• The large share of immigrants with relatively little education is one of the primary reasons for their lower socioeconomic status, not their legal status or unwillingness to work.

• At the same time immigration added significantly to the number of less-educated workers, the share of young, less-educated natives holding a job declined significantly. The decline began well before the current economic downturn.

• The poverty rate of adult immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years is 50 percent higher than that of adult natives.

The UK just realized the problems associated with mass immigration.

Mass immigration could see water shortages, failing hospitals - and we won't feel richer, says Civitas. The report from Civitas found that large-scale immigration will have a negative effect on standards of living as any economic benefits will be outweighed by pressures.

The 85-page report that as a result gross domestic product would grow as a whole but GDP per capita would be only marginally affected by projected population growth forecast for the coming century.

Mr Rowthorn, Emeritus Professor of Economics at Cambridge University, said: “Unrestrained population growth would eventually have a negative impact on the standard of living through its environmental effects such as overcrowding, congestion and loss of amenity.

A great presentation: Canada's broken immigration & refugee system This could just as easily describe what is happening in the US.

Immigration, legal and illegal, has had and will continue to have a major and far-reaching impact across a broad spectrum of existential challenges that confront this nation, e.g., national security, the economy/global competitiveness, jobs, health care, taxes, energy independence, education, entitlement reform, law enforcement, social welfare programs, physical infrastructure, the environment, civil liberties, and a continued sense of national identity/shared sense of endeavor. Immigration is the defining issue of our time with enormous implications for the future of this nation and the preservation of our patrimony. Yet, seldom will you hear immigration mentioned by our political and intellectual elites in connection with solutions to these challenges.

Legal immigration is a controllable variable that can be adjusted in the national interest if we have the political will to do so. And illegal immigration can be stopped and reversed if we as a nation make a resolute commitment to secure our borders and enforce our existing laws. Every time a discussion is held on a major issue, we must ensure that the impact of immigration is part of the dialogue.

44 posted on 08/01/2014 12:12:27 PM PDT by kabar
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What would the world be like if Hitler’s mother had aborted him?

It would have meant that England and the United States would have had to fight a much stronger Stalin. We can play "what if" all day long, but it doesn't change anything, it's like saying, "What if Abraham Lincoln's mother had aborted him, would we still have slavery?"

Most of the mothers having abortions are monsters and their children probably would be monsters as well. Look at the murder and mayhem in the inner cities. More abortions by liberal monsters would result in less death and destruction.

Odd, in one sentence you wonder about a world without Hitler, in the next you sound just like him.

You are over-simplifying an incredibly complex issue.

No, it's an incredibly simple issue: MURDER IS WRONG.

Many of the babies you want to save will grow up to be communists and cold-blooded killers.

And many more won't.

I am not so arrogant that I pretend to know what is or is not God’s will.

Sounds A LOT like, "It's above my paygrade."

I can only try and live my life by what I believe will please him and have faith that much of what I do not understand is by his will.

So, you think killing inner city and liberal babies is God's will? Where did you learn that?

45 posted on 08/01/2014 12:18:34 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: thejokker

bite me


46 posted on 08/01/2014 12:44:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks Jim!


47 posted on 08/01/2014 12:48:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: thejokker; TheOldLady
thejokker will no longer be with us.
48 posted on 08/01/2014 12:49:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Good.


49 posted on 08/01/2014 12:55:17 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

It was romanticism, the divorce/cohabitation regime and aid to foreign mercantilists: in sum, moral bankruptcy. And the difficulties may continue, until the causes cease and desist. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


50 posted on 08/01/2014 1:03:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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