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Crimea: March of the Tatars
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Posted on 08/01/2014 4:22:01 PM PDT by free_life

History repeating itself, Russians ethnic cleansing in conquered lands, people of Crimea forced to be Russian by gun point and executions by Russian Special Forces.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ethniccleansing; executions; russians

1 posted on 08/01/2014 4:22:01 PM PDT by free_life
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To: free_life

Video at link

https://news.vice.com/video/crimea-march-of-the-tatars


2 posted on 08/01/2014 4:22:42 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

So basically it’s Russians being Russians.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 4:25:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: free_life

What is a Tatar? Why doesn’t Russia like them? Are they Muslim? Jews?


4 posted on 08/01/2014 4:25:43 PM PDT by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: Lurker

Yep... a trail of blood wherever they go.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 4:27:04 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: hulagirl

Muslim


6 posted on 08/01/2014 4:28:14 PM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: hulagirl

Tartars were the people of Crimea till Stalin decided they were collaborating with the Germans and then the ethnic cleansing started and the forced migration. They came back to Crimea after the Soviet Union collapsed. They are Muslim and they hate Russians.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 4:30:02 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: hulagirl
The original settle of Crimea were Turks and Greeks AND NOT Russians.

The Turks and Greeks fought the Russian invaders and there Communist regime.

Stalin and Lenin and now Putie committed genocide against them for the last 100 years .
They have done this well before
Stalin former Ally Hitler turned on him .
A Lovely point the Putie groupies like to HIH.
Stalin was Hitler ally against the West before turned on a fellow Monster.

The Russian Moved millions of loyal Commies mostly retired military and KGB to Crimea while murdering and shipping off millions of Tatars and Greeks to prison camps.
Most of the Greek population fled to Greece or Europe once
Putin's Soviet hell was blown up in the early 1990’s.
But Putie is back doing what a Murderous KGB agent does best.
Enslaving and murdering the powerless !

8 posted on 08/01/2014 4:49:38 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: free_life
The Russians have hated the Tartars and Greeks for hundreds of years.
By the way.

The Russians have invaded Crimea well before Stalin.
The Tatars and Greeks hated Communism and the Russian policy of relocating Military retires etc.. to Crimea to do ethnic cleansing.

Stalin was Hitler's Ally against the West until Hitler knew better than to trust
a Russian Communist Dictator.

9 posted on 08/01/2014 4:54:40 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: free_life
Boy , very true.
My Aunt was Greek and from that place.
She escaped as a child during the chaos of WWII.
Odd thing was the Greeks and Tartars had a strange alliance in Crimea even though the two groups were enemies in the Mediterranean.
10 posted on 08/01/2014 5:05:05 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: free_life

Having watched the video, the Tartars appear to be Muslims. I’m no fan of Putin or the Russians, but no wonder they didn’t want them.

If the Tartars are indeed predominantly Muslim, why is this being pushed on FR, a Christian website?


11 posted on 08/01/2014 5:15:28 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: free_life
I think I misread that headline.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 5:26:25 PM PDT by CtBigPat (Free Republic - The grown-ups table of the internet.)
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To: sasportas

Because we value liberty? Just thinking.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 5:35:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hulagirl

I don’t know if this is the same bunch of Tatars, but Genghis Khan’s father was a Tatar. Genghis Khan later fought the Tatars.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 5:39:46 PM PDT by matthew fuller (This is MUSLIM TERRORIST AWARENESS MONTH.)
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To: sasportas

Because Russians ignored Budapest agreement guaranteeing territorial integrity of Ukraine, send the masked terrorists to “liberate” the Crimea, who does not want to be part of Russia.


15 posted on 08/01/2014 5:40:33 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: sasportas
As we all know from the impartial, honest, US media, nice Iz Lame peaceniks, jihadists as they prefer to call themselves, should be treated with kid gloves and allowed to roam freely to spread sweetness and light wherever they go.

It's part of the media BS campaign, that's why it's here.

16 posted on 08/01/2014 5:43:45 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: sasportas

I don’t get it either and agree, but won’t discuss why other than pointing this out

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/the-crimean-tatars-and-the-ottomans.aspx?pageID=238&nID=64230&NewsCatID=438

I’m inclined to let them sort it out, as I don’t care to have Russians & Euroweenies dictating how we deal with Mexico.
But that’s ‘just me’ and a minority it seems...


17 posted on 08/01/2014 5:55:43 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: ncalburt

Unfortunately the Tatars are muslim and if I’m correct the Tsarnaev brothers were Tatar. The insurgency in the caucus mountains is Islamist as well. While this is unfortunate the Tatars should not be seen as some victim group. I just see more efforts to drum up Cold War and anti-russian rhetoric. We simply have to many problems already to worry about. I don’t think we can withstand a Cold War again not with the left this strong, and the changed geopolitical dynamics.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:55 PM PDT by Golden throne
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To: sasportas

Because some freepers are trying to push a new Cold War. The Tatars should not be a concern this is ridiculous that people are trying to push this we don’t need another Cold War!


19 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:55 PM PDT by Golden throne
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To: Rashputin
As we all know from the impartial, honest, US media, nice Iz Lame peaceniks, jihadists as they prefer to call themselves, should be treated with kid gloves and allowed to roam freely to spread sweetness and light wherever they go. It's part of the media BS campaign, that's why it's here.

Putin has sent Chechen Muslims to kill Ukrainian Christians.

He did the same in Georgia.

He enriches the uranium of Muslim Iran.

He recognizes Muslim Hamas and takes their side against Israel.

That's four examples (there's plenty more) of jihadists spreading sweetness and light courtesy of Vlad Putin.

20 posted on 08/01/2014 7:13:07 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: sasportas

“If the Tartars are indeed predominantly Muslim, why is this being pushed on FR, a Christian website?”

Pushed? What push? It’s a posted thread.

Also, Christian or not, FR is a place for information and the Tatars are being screwed.


21 posted on 08/01/2014 7:13:15 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: hulagirl

Tartar - mongolian tribes from central asia who migrated west with the Golden Hordes of Geghis Khan

Most are Sunni Muslim

One fact - Lipka Tartars of Poland/Lithuania, Charles Bronson was a descendent of them


22 posted on 08/01/2014 7:31:15 PM PDT by njslim (T)
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To: free_life

The only good muslim is a dead one!!


23 posted on 08/01/2014 7:39:37 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: FreeReign
Let's defend Ukraine as it existed before Communism, Ok?

Some for Poland, some for Hungary, some for Russia, some for Romania, whoever was there before some Communist expanded the borders of Ukraine.

Soak up the Kool-Aid bub, you're obviously addicted and if this is your "coating" mode it's best for everyone you don't go into fits of withdrawal

24 posted on 08/01/2014 7:45:45 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
LOL. Your response has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

My post stands.

Address what I said, and don't post your dumbass nonsense to me.

25 posted on 08/01/2014 8:01:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: hulagirl
What is a Tatar?

It's what my momma used to make us for dinner. Sometimes she'd mash 'em, sometimes she'd fry 'em.

I think the Ruskies make vodka out of 'em too.

27 posted on 08/01/2014 8:23:20 PM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: FreeReign
"Dumbass."

You're clearly on the intellectual level the media targets and most successfully manipulates

Ukraine was a geographic region several nations controlled parts of until Germany and the Hapsburgs found it convenient to foster and feed the idea of a new nation among a group of intellectuals (wealthy Russian intellectuals from families who had lived around Kiev for generaions) just prior to WWI.

I like seeing you and others who are 100% behind defending the creation of the Soviet Union under Communism pretending to be ardent anti-Russians.

That makes it clear to everyone just how easily some people can be manipulaed into totally illogical, contradictory, stances when the media hits their hot buttons.

Screw the Poles, the Hungarians, Americans who will pay the price, everyone in fact, except the people who kiss Barry's butt at the moment. That's the argument from the pro-Kiev Coup crowd.

Keep on pushing that big ball of yours, Mr. Dung Beetle, but it's your brain than needs exercised more than your dung pushing muscles.

29 posted on 08/01/2014 8:44:57 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
You're clearly on the intellectual level the media targets and most successfully manipulates

LOL. I've been on this board over 15 years trashing the media. The four points that I posted are common knowledge. Even Putin admits to them. You can't address the issue so you change the subject and post ad hominens.

Keep on pushing that big ball of yours, Mr. Dung Beetle, but it's your brain than needs exercised more than your dung pushing muscles. Keep on pushing that big ball of yours, Mr. Dung Beetle, but it's your brain than needs exercised more than your dung pushing muscles.

Seriously, how does your initiation of mindless ad hominens not make you a dumbass?

30 posted on 08/01/2014 9:07:46 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Responding in kind to you upsets you?

Goodness, for all fifteen years you've been ranting about the media you've expected to be free from anyone responding to you in kind or is that a recent decree from you?

It seems to me that less ranting and more actual reasonable explanations would make more progress in your crusade against the media, especially when you're siding with them and swallowing everything they say.

But then, I don't expect to taunt and demean others and not receive the same in return like those who prefer assertion to information do.

31 posted on 08/01/2014 9:18:45 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
Responding in kind to you upsets you?

No not at all. In fact I believe in it. Now go back and read the last part of your post #24.

But then, I don't expect to taunt and demean others and not receive the same in return...

Well let the record show that you initiated exactly that and then you complained when I responded in kind.

32 posted on 08/01/2014 9:27:48 PM PDT by FreeReign
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Sure, you regurgitate a line of crap from the media that includes, "Chechen Muslims killing Christians in Ukraine" and the only Chechen I've seen interviewed had the Cross of St. George Crowned on their sleeves, not the Crescent of Iz Lame and you're not drinking the Kool Aid?

Come on, the whole Ukraine business is all about pushing the hot buttons that will get Conservatives to swallow the lies along with 10% truth.

That's about what I think everything you listed and everything coming out now. Lies mixed with 10% truth.

I've felt that way about all reporting about anything in Eastern Europe by the media since a good friend of mine served his last two years in the service in part in Kosovo. I'll take his word for the fact that 90% of what was spewed by the media was a complete lie, the exact opposite of what he saw himself.

Feel free to defend the administrations party line on Ukraine and whatever else you want to swallow, but don't tell me the media has been telling the truth about this or any of the other things you mentioned. That flies in the face of common sense.

Now, go ahead and yell "Dumbass" or "Putinista" or whatever else you like but please, go read some friggin' history about the region called Ukraine as opposed to the mess Communists created, called Ukraine, and when the Soviet Union fell apart left people with the choice of a new country or Russia without so much as a nod to the countries that had controlled parts of the Ukraine Region for hundreds of years before idea of a nation named Ukraine ever existed.

As it stands, a lot of people who I once thought had good common sense have been making fools of themselves defending a "nation" that in reality has never existed prior to an "either/or" choice given them in the 1990s along with a lot of promises no one in Kiev has ever lifted a finger to try and keep.

Fighting to help make Ukraine the low cost labor provider for Europe now that jihad in Europe is obviously brewing doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Talk about the energy in Ukraine all you like, but control of it will be put on the auction block and when that happens Iz Lame will own, control it, and have all sorts of good reasons to leave it in the ground. What a wonderful solution, providing Iz Lame with still more energy reserves so that nasty man Putin and the evil Russians won't profit from Russian energy sales. Brilliant, more self-defeating garbage.

If the country turns into three or four nations with people of common national heritage in each it wouldn't bother me a bit unless there's massive bloodshed to accomplish that. Given the history of the people in the area, though, massive bloodshed by Communists, Nationalists, Nazis, and any other group that can get the upper hand for a while is pretty much the only tradition they have in common among the half dozen different ethnic groups.

33 posted on 08/01/2014 9:59:25 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: sasportas

Pushing? Pushing what? It is information on some of what is going on in a active war zone. To the Russians it doesn’t matter Christian, Muslim or whatever. One aspect of this is how it tears down the Ruskie bs about Crimea being Russian land, and the bs how the Russians are loved by the people in Crimea. Russians are hated by everyone everywhere they go, all they bring is genocide and ethnic cleansing.


34 posted on 08/01/2014 10:55:08 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: njslim

Actually, the Crimean Tatars are largely descended from the various peoples who lived in the area before the Mongols-mainly various Turkic tribes like Kipchaks and Petchenegs, but also Greeks and Goths.


35 posted on 08/02/2014 6:59:06 AM PDT by Jacob Kell (The last good thing that the UN did was Korea.)
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To: matthew fuller

No. The Crimean Tatars are a different ethnic group largely descended from the various peoples who lived in the area. Mainly various Turkic peoples like the Kipchaks, but also Greeks, Goths and yes Mongols.


36 posted on 08/02/2014 7:00:41 AM PDT by Jacob Kell (The last good thing that the UN did was Korea.)
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To: Rashputin
Well let the record show that you initiated exactly that and then you complained when I responded in kind.

Sure..

Well then you deserve the disrespect of being called what you are a dumbass...and now a hypocrite.

you regurgitate a line of crap from the media that includes, "Chechen Muslims killing Christians in Ukraine" and the only Chechen I've seen interviewed had the Cross of St. George Crowned on their sleeves, not the Crescent of Iz Lame and you're not drinking the Kool Aid?

Wow. You think there are no Muslim Chechens in Ukraine because none have been interviewed? Never mind the numerous independent reports of Vostok Battalion markings on tanks, flags on buildings. Nevermind that they did the same in Georgia which was well documented with photos and numerous independent reports on this website long before you showed up here on this website and long before Obama was president.

Now, go ahead and yell "Dumbass" or "Putinista" or whatever else you like but please, go read some friggin' history about the region called Ukraine as opposed to the mess Communists created, called Ukraine, and when the Soviet Union fell apart left people with the choice of a new country or Russia without so much as a nod to the countries that had controlled parts of the Ukraine Region for hundreds of years before idea of a nation named Ukraine ever existed.

You are ignorant of the fact that the people of Ukraine, about 80% of them, self identify themselves as ethnic Ukrainians who want to be part of Ukraine.

I've felt that way about all reporting about anything in Eastern Europe by the media since a good friend of mine served his last two years in the service in part in Kosovo. I'll take his word for the fact that 90% of what was spewed by the media was a complete lie, the exact opposite of what he saw himself.

Kosovo was about Clinton's propaganda. Syria, Libya and Egypt are about Obama's propaganda. Georgia and Ukraine are NOT about their propaganda. You are regurgitating Putin's line of crap.

Feel free to defend the administrations party line on Ukraine and whatever else you want to swallow, but don't tell me the media has been telling the truth about this or any of the other things you mentioned. That flies in the face of common sense.

Utter nonsense. What has been going on Ukraine has been happening long before Obama came to power in 2008 as many of us having been following here on Free Republic, thread after Ukraine and Georgia thread for the past 10 or 15 years. You are buying the Putin line of crap that Ukraine is about Nazis and Obama. It is NOT.

Now, go ahead and yell "Dumbass" or "Putinista" or whatever else you like...

You deserve the disrespect hypocrite, don't blame me, and quit whining about it.

If the country turns into three or four nations with people of common national heritage in each it wouldn't bother me a bit unless there's massive bloodshed to accomplish that. Given the history of the people in the area, though, massive bloodshed by Communists, Nationalists, Nazis, and any other group that can get the upper hand for a while is pretty much the only tradition they have in common among the half dozen different ethnic groups.

The people of Ukraine, about 80% of them self identify themselves as ethnic Ukrainians who want to be part of Ukraine. They don't want to be starved by the millions by tyrants, they don't want to be slaughtered by Nazis, they don't want to be controlled by communists and they don't want to be part of Putin's present day tyrannical Russia.

That's their choice and Russia and Putin and ignoramuses such as yourself need to leave them alone.

37 posted on 08/02/2014 8:18:17 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: ncalburt

Why does Russia want Crimea so bad? Strategically located? I see it is a sea port, but there are other sea ports in Russia aren’t they?


38 posted on 08/02/2014 11:48:45 AM PDT by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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