Skip to comments.Roots of Pro-Russian Separatists in Russia's Ultranationalist Groups (Nazis/Stalinists)
Posted on 08/04/2014 12:53:48 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Roots of Pro-Russian Separatists in Russia's Ultranationalist Groups
Vladimir Pribylovsky, a well-known Russian researcher of extremist movements in Eurasia, co-author with Yuri Felshtinsky of The Putin Corporation: The Story of Russia's Secret Takeover has documented the relationship between the separatist leaders fighting in the southeast of Ukraine and ultranationalist groups in Russia.
Svetlana Pavlova of Svoboda.org (the Russian-language service of the US-funded Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) published an interview with Pribylovskky about these connections in June and Pribylovsky added some details in a recent Facebook post.
The Interpreter has provided a summary translation of the pieces:
Aleksandr Boroday, the "prime minister of the Donetsk People's Republic" is an associate of Konstantin Malofeyev, an Orthodox businessman and supporter of nationalist causes. He wrote for the ultranationalist newspaper Zavtra, published by Aleksandr Prokhanov.
Pavel Gubarev, "people's governor of Donetsk" is a member of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity (RNE), founded by Aleksandr Barkashov, a karate trainer and bodyguard, in the 1990s. There is a photo of him at an RNE training wearing the group's uniform with its swastika-like insignia. Gubarev has not denied his membership in the RNE, but is said not to have held a leadership post in it. Gubarev was also involved in the Ukrainian Progressive Socialist Party led by Nataliya Vitrenko and ran in local elections. RNE is waning in Russia, but appears to have members fighting in southeastern Ukraine.
Nice try, though FAILED...
The guy running Kiev’s War, or “Anti-Terrorist Operation”, as they call it, Andriy Parubiy, IS AN ACTUAL NAZI, and a publicly-acknowledged Banderist, that founded the fascist “Social-National Party of Ukraine” together with Oleh Tyahnybok, who now heads Svoboda.
The Nazi Right Sector militias in the Southeast answer loosely to Parubiy, and him ALONE, outside of the military chain of command.
Your crazy spin and propaganda has gotten very old.
Interesting read, thanks.
“Nice try, though FAILED...”
Failed what ? It’s obvious for everyone with basic idea about the subject that Putin’s Russia is the most nazi country in the world and that including not only skinheads and such but also Kremlin associated people.
Parubiy is a "secretary" in the National Defense council. He is not running the ATO. These people do:
"Beside the President and his/hers secretary the council consists also of the Prime Minister of Ukraine, the Minister of Defense, the Head of Security Service of Ukraine, the Minister of Internal Affairs, and the Minister of Foreign Affairs. The head of the council is the President of Ukraine assisted by secretary whom he is allowed to appoint."
The Nazi Right Sector militias in the Southeast answer loosely to Parubiy, and him ALONE
So they "loosely" answer to Parubiy, and to him alone? So they only answer to one person, and at that, only "loosely?" That's basically saying that they don't answer to anybody except maybe a little bit, and at that, a secretary whose only role is to advise the President.
Your crazy spin and propaganda has gotten very old.
I'm not sure how it is "crazy spin." These people are, indeed, Nazis and Stalinists being sent from Moscow.
As for Parubiy, and Svoboda in general, at least they make a public attempt to claim they are moderating and are not extremists (anymore). They do not get a majority of the vote, but, at least, they got some votes, unlike your guys.
Kiev is getting, really, really, desperate. Yelling, "Commie" hasn't worked, try yelling, "Nazi".
I'm not sure your post even makes sense. The Commie part gets taken care of with the picture of people with the Stalin flag. Furthermore, the article isn't by Kiev, it is by this news agency. Also, there are pictures of your guys with Swatsikas, who are supposed to be liberating Ukraine from Nazis, sent from the Kremlin. So it's not like it's hearsay.
Lastly, you should not dislike Nazis anyway, because you basically are one, as you have advocated on this forum, twice, for essentially creating concentration camps for Muslims, regardless if they are Pro-American Kurds, Muhammad with an explosive vest, or the guy running the gas station.
Also... are you calling these Russians French Socialists? Don't get this part.
Somehow, I knew you would try to spin away from that.
Are you now actually going to DENY that Parubiy is AN ACTUAL NAZI, and that he is in charge of the “ATO”?
If you are, that really is very disingenuous.
Putin's regime and associated groups are basically nazis, no matter how you spin it.
A supporter of ACTUAL UKRAINIAN NAZI’s calling the “Putin regime and associated groups” “basically Nazi’s” is quite hypocritical, doncha think??
Look at my posting history over the last decade.
I deny that he is publicly a Nazi. He left the far right party in 2004. Now he is with the All-Ukrainian Fatherland party, and was elected under their banner in 2012, and they do not campaign on any anti-semetic or other Nazi like planks, unless you count raising minimum wage. Here, they would be called Democrats.
That doesn't mean he doesn't still support Nazi stuff of course. It just means he might be sneaky.
FYI, he resigned today (though he can't leave until they have the replacement). and that he is in charge of the ATO?
He is not in charge of the ATO. If he is, please provide evidence for this explaining how the role of an appointed secretary to the President puts him in charge of strategy and in control of the military.
Russians act like Nazis so of course they are going to be labelled Nazis.
A lot of Putinistas, not just on FR but on different websites, joined up around the same time you did. Because you are a liar, who has even lied about me to my face, my opinion is you are no ordinary poster, but a Russkie sent in a decade ago with the rest of them. Either that, or you are just a pathological liar who can't help it, whatever the topic.
You keep making up fantasies to explain your strawmen, and I’ll keep lokking for facts, K?
Translation: You cannot backup anything you say, so you will just say stupid stuff like you usually do.
Coming from the guy that insists on lying and strawmen, that is quite funny! Thanks for the laughs.
Isn't it the other way around? Russia is invading Ukraine on the basis that they are liberating it from the "Nazis," even while they accuse Poroshenko, a chocolate boss who founded a Pro-EU moderate party, and the Prime Minister of actually being ethnically Jewish. The hypocrisy isn't on the Ukrainian side, who are only the subject of this kind of propaganda.
You can point to the now resigned Parubiy and claim that the Nazis are somehow in power, despite all evidence to the contrary, but you can't erase the fact that the "separatists" sent from Moscow are apparently a collection of Communists and Nazis. Though, it is not right to differentiate between the two in Russia. In that country, they're basically the same thing. Or, maybe, they were always the same, whatever country they were in. It is hard for me to differentiate between these "ultranationalist- ultraleftists" and these "ultranationalist-ultrarightists" that they talk about.
And one final word about Parubiy. Ukraine has a parliamentry system. The reason why they let weirdos into weird positions, and then Jews in other positions who should reasonably hate each other, is because that is how you keep party coalitions together while your country is being invaded by a foreign enemy.
And my answer will always be the same. If I am lying or giving strawmen, correct the record. But, don't think that your word alone or some news article from Russian media is going to settle things.
The record speaks for itself.
Unless you still happen to be parroting Kiev’s, “This will be over in hours, not days!” line from two months ago.
Fine, then both sides are socialist scum but people who idolize Hitler tossing “Nazi” at anyone is so clearly a desperate propaganda ploy it’s funny.
Bandera fans do not idolize Hitler, they idolize Bandera. Hitler threw their hero Bandera in a concentration camp. Bandera was a nationalist, but not a nazi. He allied with Hitler, but then so did Stalin. Does that make Stalin a nazi?
What are you talking about? The head of the ATO is Vasyl Grytsak. He replaced Vasyl Krutov in July. Grystak was originally actually from the Party of Regions, Yanukovytch’s old party.
And seriously, this whole “Banderist = Nazi” thing gets old. By and large the people who support Bandera portray him as an *anti-Nazi campaigner*. They whitewash over his collaborations with the Nazis at different points in time as a necessity, but point out the years he spent in a Nazi concentration camp for opposing them and the fact that he helped shelter Jews and other persecuted groups within his organization (again, whitewashing over when he helped the Nazis with their persecution programs). Basically, that fact that someone calls a person a hero for (what they consider) their being an anti-Nazi campaigner is hardly a compelling argument that a person who holds such a view is themselves a Nazi.
There were two candidates in the last election that were arguably (but realistically, not really) neo-Nazis. Together they got less than 2% of the vote. And even they’re not even remotely as radical, as say, Golden Dawn in Greece, which is now their third largest political party. Where’s your protests against Golden Dawn?
Unless you still happen to be parroting Kievs, This will be over in hours, not days! line from two months ago.
Case in point when I say you are a liar and lie to my own face about things I allegedly say.
Please provide any link that shows me ever saying anything even remotely close to this, you rat scumbag.
Dictator Stalin voted third most popular Russian
(Reuters) - Soviet dictator Josef Stalin was voted Russia’s third most popular historical figure in a nationwide poll that ended on Sunday, despite the famine and purges that marked his rule.
Oops, Putinistas won’t protest Golden Dawn, because Golden Dawn supports Putin, along with Hungary’s Jobbik, France’s National Front, Italy’s Northern League, Germany’s National Democratic Party, etc, etc. Fascists all over Europe adore their new “strongman” Putin.
John McCain Went To Ukraine And Stood On Stage With A Man Accused Of Being An Anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi but we both know that don't we.
I knew this thread would get our Bolsheviks fired-up. Don’t forget, Putin financially supports anti-fracking groups. Haven’t seen one of those threads posted by one of them, though. Wonder why. /s
I don't have it wrong at all. How many votes did Svoboda get in the Presidential election?
By the way, you're another freak who posts links to anti-semitic articles and then complains about Nazis.
And that’s another thing that ticks me off: it’s only a matter of time before one of these numbnuts posts another article from Lyndon LaRouche.
Hey if the Ukrainians are nazis, then how come a Jewish oligarch finances the Ukrainian militia? Is he one of those Jewish nazis?
If you want to see Nazis just search Google for Ukrainian Right Sector
And how many votes did they get, you perpetual propagandist? Less than even 1 percent in the Presidential election? And how many times have you been told this, and yet keep making these stupid comments?
Don’t bother with facts, the same guy will be pasting the same crap again, again and again... KGB has built a huge (and truly “rainbow” - from far left to far right) network of weirdos, some of them are operatives/agents, others are useful idiots, who don’t even realize what they are taking part in.
~~~~~Bandera fans do not idolize Hitler, they idolize Bandera. Hitler threw their hero Bandera in a concentration camp. Bandera was a nationalist, but not a nazi. He allied with Hitler~~~~
Bandera and his thugs were punished for brutality by Nazi SS. Just think about it. This fact alone is actually enough to make a judgement about this group.
~~~~Less than even 1 percent in the Presidential election?~~~~
Well, are there many people like that in Russian parliament? Of course, there are people who are nazi in Russia but there aren’t that many of them for sure.
You have to do a better research. Zhirinivsky is a troll, installed by Clintonists into a Russian political establishment back to earlier 1990s. An idea behind this clown was to hijack votes of the most stupid rednecks and urban trash from Communists to prop a Yeltsin government.
That makes his posture and ridiculous statements. Idiots loves when he acts like one of their own, comparing to the rest of “boring” conventional politicians.
Right now he does the same job for a current government. He is not a serious political power, but a drone to saturate and ridicule both right and left wing blocks.
He is the biggest supporter of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and he recruits and funds the Russian ethnic separatists fighting in Ukraine.
Supplying The Front Lines In Eastern Ukraine - August 1, 2014 - In May, the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia, which has lawmakers in parliament, signed a cooperation agreement with representatives of the self-proclaimed "Donetsk People's Republic" to help purchase and ship humanitarian aid to eastern Ukraine. The party, however, is helping with a little more than just blankets and aspirin. It has put one of its Moscow offices at the disposition of the separatists, who have since announced they had opened a recruitment center in Moscow, in addition to the one operating in the eastern Ukrainian city of Slovyansk.
~~~~He is the biggest supporter of Putins invasion of Ukraine and he recruits and funds the Russian ethnic separatists fighting in Ukraine.~~~~
For the reasons I told about. Maybe they want to see their nazis killed in Ukraine?
Yes, Putin is now eliminating his nationalist opposition by stabbing them in the back in Ukraine, but that does not excuse what he has done. Putin is of course not a true nationalist but a Neo-Soviet. The nationalist slogan “stop feeding the Caucasus” does not appeal to him at all. Putin wants a multi-ethnic neo-Soviet Russia, not a Russia for the Russians. That’s why he issued Russian passports to Abkhazians and just gave Russian citizenship to hundreds of thousands of Crimean Tatars.
I think things are a bit more complex than you guess.
As for Ukraine, it has to be a federation in my opinion. You can blame Russian propaganda and meddling as much as you can but there were problems and they had to be solved.
Probably best to keep your meddling Russkie opinions to yourself, and let the Ukrainians do what they want.