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Ukraine Rebels Conscript ‘Punishment Brigades’ for Support Work
nytimes ^ | AUG. 4, 2014 | ANDREW E. KRAMER

Posted on 08/05/2014 1:17:36 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper

DONETSK, Ukraine — With Ukraine’s military tightening a cordon around this city controlled by separatist rebels, Oleg Grishin found himself enlisted on Monday in one of their schemes for its defense: the forced labor of drunks, drug addicts and curfew violators to dig trenches and build barriers.

Sweat streaked his face. Yet with a militant commander standing nearby, he had no complaints about the stooped toiling in the sun. “What can I say, I was drunk, I was guilty, they are right,” he mumbled.

Donetsk, the rebel capital, is now isolated by the siege, which the Ukrainian Army managed to achieve over the weekend.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: ukraine

1 posted on 08/05/2014 1:17:36 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Ukraine has been using criminals as cannon-fodder for quite a while:

Ukrainian lawmaker admits half Azov battalion fighting in Donbass composed of criminals
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_24/Ukrainian-lawmaker-admits-half-Azov-battalion-fighting-in-Donbass-composed-of-criminals-3274/


2 posted on 08/05/2014 1:27:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Thanks for the view from the Kremlin. What would FR do without you? Please never leave.


3 posted on 08/05/2014 1:31:01 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Stalin used penal battalions for clearing minefields with thier feet.


4 posted on 08/05/2014 1:32:20 PM PDT by forgotten man
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To: tcrlaf
Pro-Russian rebels force children to hold signs on frontline

UKRAINE Lugansk: "Pro-Russia hide behind children

Report: Putin threatens to use Ukrainian women, children, as human shields

Putin: Listen to me. Listen to me carefully. I want you to correctly understand me.

If we reach that decision, only if we reach that decision, it will only be for the defense of Ukrainian citizens, let anyone from the military dare shoot at their own people which we will be behind, not in front but behind, let them try and shoot at women and children.

Let me see who in the Ukraine will give such an order.


5 posted on 08/05/2014 1:39:23 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: forgotten man

The difference here is that, it appears that the Donetsk rebels are engaged in impressment, whereas the Ukrainian military is doing something entirely different. I’ll wait for a Russian to chance along and explain the difference, if they can.


6 posted on 08/05/2014 1:39:44 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Berlin_Freeper
This is all made possible by Osama Obama’s pledge of “flexibility” to Vlad Putin.Vlad would never have pulled a stunt like this with President Reagan or Bush Sr or Jr.
7 posted on 08/05/2014 1:42:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (We're The First Generation Not Forced To Fight To Defend Our Freedom.And It Shows!)
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To: 1rudeboy; tcrlaf

It is amazing how with much of the civilized western world against what Putin invading Ukraine, that the Putinistas think they can win 1/1,000,000,000 of a point for Russia.


8 posted on 08/05/2014 1:45:37 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 1rudeboy; tcrlaf

Perhaps tcrlaf can also explain this away:

British medical student kept as a slave by pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine is freed after two-week ordeal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716524/British-medical-student-kept-slave-pro-Russian-rebels-Ukraine-freed-two-week-ordeal.html


9 posted on 08/05/2014 1:46:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 1rudeboy

“The difference here is that, it appears that the Donetsk rebels are engaged in impressment, whereas the Ukrainian military is doing something entirely different.”

The rebels are using drunks to dig ditches.
Lyashko is releasing criminals from prison to fight for his Nazi battalions.

There is a precedent for this.
Oskar Dirlewanger, the worst Nazi War Criminal of them all, did the exact same thing during WW2, and was very active in Ukraine, putting down partisans. It was Dirlewanger’s troops that brutally put down the Warsaw Uprising, as well.

The Soviets had a standing order that Dirlewanger’s men were to be shot on sight, preferably after torture, with no quarter given.

I wonder if Lyashko fancies himself as the modern-day Dirlewanger.


10 posted on 08/05/2014 1:50:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Lyashko is releasing criminals from prison to fight for his Nazi battalions.

I didn't gather that information from the link that you provided. Did RT tweet it, perhaps?

11 posted on 08/05/2014 1:53:28 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
Donetsk terrorists openly recruit child soldiers
12 posted on 08/05/2014 1:55:52 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
You are late to the party, we went over this last night..... Right Sector has been recruiting kids to fight for their militias for weeks. This pic is from a departure blessing ceremony in Dnipropetrovsk for a "Special Police Battalion", attended by Filatov, posted on Twitter on July 12th. Who knows if these kids are still alive...
13 posted on 08/05/2014 2:01:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

There’s a FReeper around here who is fixated on “diversion.” Don’t care to look up who it is. Funny, I don’t recall you guys ever having a spat.


14 posted on 08/05/2014 2:05:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

All you have there is a group photo that includes family at a ceremony. Meanwhile the terrorists have children in the street sitting at the ready.

I notice you style yourself the leader here, a sort of keeper and presenter of all Putin’s propaganda.

Tell me tcrlaf, what would you be without Putin invading Ukraine?


15 posted on 08/05/2014 2:11:29 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Here's the part I find most disturbing:

The rebel commander, known by his nickname, Lukich, said he treated the detainees humanely. The practice achieves two objectives, he said, imposing the social rules infused with Russian Orthodox Christian values of the new state, while helping the city’s defenses. Drug addicts are summarily sentenced to trench digging.

Jeepers, who do these guys think they are, Muslims?
16 posted on 08/05/2014 2:12:04 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
Lyashko is releasing criminals from prison to fight for his Nazi battalions.

Where are the Zyklon B facilities?

17 posted on 08/05/2014 2:15:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

There are PLENTY of people here more than willing to post Kiev propaganda, straight from the tap.

I am trying to provide balance, to what I have found to be wild, over-the-top, and exaggerated claims by Kiev, and it’s propagandists.

For that I have been called names, cajoled, and even threatened.

Like it or not, it’s that very bashing that has made me dig deeper into what is really going on, much to the Kiev propagandists ire.


18 posted on 08/05/2014 2:17:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Where are the Zyklon B facilities?”

They probably aren’t that far into the future, if things continue as they are:

On Aug 2, Lyashko, still a Rada PM, called for the death penalty for antiFascists and any accomplices by HANGING.

http://rusvesna.su/news/1407058971
http://politikus.ru/events/26144-lyashko-prizval-veshat-moskovskih-okkupantov-i-ih-posobnikov.html


19 posted on 08/05/2014 2:21:08 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Nothing.


20 posted on 08/05/2014 2:26:08 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: tcrlaf; Berlin_Freeper
Kiev propaganda, straight from the tap.

That's what you call anything that doesn't come from the slop bucket at Russia Today, the Voice of Russia, ITAR-TASS, or Tweets from the Kremlin.

21 posted on 08/05/2014 2:26:43 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“That’s what you call anything that doesn’t come from the slop bucket at Russia Today, the Voice of Russia, ITAR-TASS, or Tweets from the Kremlin.”

Link please...
Of course, you can’t provide one, you are just being a hysterical hypocrite again.

I’m talking about Posts from Ukrinform, the official Kiev propaganda service, Censor.Net, Tymchuk’s Facebook, and others that we have seen since the first of the year.


22 posted on 08/05/2014 2:31:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Much like Putin, your intentions are good but just misunderstood?


23 posted on 08/05/2014 2:33:35 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Jeepers, who do these guys think they are, Muslims?

They think they are the Devil...

Ukraine rebel chief Igor Bezler threatens to execute interviewer
He grabbed the Dictaphone from her hands and ordered one of the fighters to throw it at the wall. Pulling my notebook from my hands, he began to rip out the pages frantically.

Protesting only made things worse. He barked commands at his subordinates: “Burn their notebooks! Seize their electronics! Search everything for compromising material and then destroy it! If you find anything, execute them as spies!”

Working in eastern Ukraine has been difficult for all journalists and anger and threats are commonplace. This was the first time, however, that I felt a very real sense of danger. “Don’t think for one minute I will hesitate to have you shot,” he yelled at the pair of us.

24 posted on 08/05/2014 2:33:36 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 1rudeboy

“Much like Putin, your intentions are good but just misunderstood?

Yet another fallacious statement.
It says a lot about you, and your position, that you can only argue by trying to put words in another’s mouth.

They taught us not to do that in high school debate class. Have you not taken that, yet?


26 posted on 08/05/2014 2:37:44 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Yet another fallacious statement.

Paraphrasing your comment is "fallacious?" What does that indicate about the original?

27 posted on 08/05/2014 2:39:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; 1rudeboy

He is in HS!


28 posted on 08/05/2014 2:41:14 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: tcrlaf

Didn’t they also teach you in debate class that you are either a player or a referee — you can’t be both at the some time.


30 posted on 08/05/2014 2:46:04 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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He is in HS!
"tcrlaf (Q) "

Q (Star Trek)

32 posted on 08/05/2014 2:50:56 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Here’s another Putinist slaver story from today:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11014783/British-student-forced-into-slave-labour-in-Eastern-Ukraine.html


33 posted on 08/05/2014 3:49:05 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

They probably let him go because he’s Muslim. Professional courtesy.


34 posted on 08/05/2014 3:54:10 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Berlin_Freeper

So, the rebels aren’t the Sons of Liberty so many around here say they are? I’m shocked.


35 posted on 08/07/2014 4:50:23 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: tcrlaf

Every day the Nazi thugs in Kiev are being exposed and their handlers in DC and Brussels/Berlin cringe.


36 posted on 08/09/2014 7:44:37 PM PDT by eleni121 ("All Along the Watchmaker" Book of Isaiah, Chapter 21, verses 5-9)
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