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Chief: Police killed California robbery hostage [police shot hostage 10 times]]
Associated Press ^ | August 11, 2014

Posted on 08/11/2014 8:32:33 PM PDT by grundle

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To: Joe 6-pack
She must have made a furtive movement with her hands.

Officer Terminator: "I didn't fear for her life."

21 posted on 08/11/2014 8:52:51 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: grundle


Harry Temple: All right, pop quiz. Airport, gunman with one hostage. He's using her for cover; he's almost to a plane. You're a hundred feet away... Jack?

Jack: Shoot the hostage.

Later in the movie...

Harry Temple: You shot me, I can't believe it. They're giving you a medal for shooting me, you little prick!

Jack: Harry... you TOLD me to.
22 posted on 08/11/2014 8:52:53 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: kiryandil
WTF is wrong with our trigger-happy mercenary State gunthugs?

Perhaps criminals are shooting at them from behind a hostage? That does tend to make things rather dicey.

Even in the best of circumstances, the odds of saving a hostage in a running gun battle are very poor. Most police officers aren't really that good at shooting either. Life simply doesn't work like the movies.

Why did the police allow the final suspect to even survive? In times past police would have finished him off without a second thought.

23 posted on 08/11/2014 8:54:23 PM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
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To: grundle

Sad....but I figured that was the case already...I’m frankly shocked they admitted it...


24 posted on 08/11/2014 8:54:52 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: grundle

We should start disarming some of the police and make it a privilege to carry and not SOP.


25 posted on 08/11/2014 8:57:30 PM PDT by Usagi_yo (I don't have a soul, I'm a soul that has a body. -- Unknown)
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To: flamberge
Perhaps criminals are shooting at them from behind a hostage? That does tend to make things rather dicey.

That, and the police are being trained to CONFRONT at all costs.

They're not fracking super-heroes, so they need to lighten up.

26 posted on 08/11/2014 9:00:14 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: grundle

“police shot hostage 10 times”

This reminds me of Al Capp’s “Fearless Fosdick” cartoons.


27 posted on 08/11/2014 9:03:13 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Usagi_yo; flamberge
We should start disarming some of the police and make it a privilege to carry and not SOP.

You'd think that after she'd danced for the first 6 or 7 bullets, the shooters would have realized that THEY WERE NOT NOT MAKING THINGS BETTER.

My vote: privilege to carry. I'm with you, Usagi.

28 posted on 08/11/2014 9:06:09 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: grundle

Who gets to do the cop press conference?


29 posted on 08/11/2014 9:08:52 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Joe 6-pack
No More Hesitation: Our Farce Enlawment deserves the very best.


30 posted on 08/11/2014 9:11:06 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: kiryandil
Maybe they were trying to shoot the gun out of the robbers hand.
They saw it in the movies.

This is how the new police state saves people.

31 posted on 08/11/2014 9:14:48 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: kiryandil
You know, one or two errant shots - I could see it.

Police in combat shootings (against armed opponents) can rarely hit any target more than 20% of the time. This has been well-known for decades by researchers in that field. When facing continued fire most people cannot even shoot that well for more than half a minute. In a sustained gun battle, there will always be a lot of bullet holes in places where they were not wanted.

"One or two errant shots" is an unrealistic expectation.

And about 30% of hostages are killed when criminals keep shooting from behind them.

Some problems do not have happy solutions.

32 posted on 08/11/2014 9:14:53 PM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
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To: flamberge
it's called DEESCALATION... cease fire, take cover and call in the Negotiators/HRT, it's not rocket science
33 posted on 08/11/2014 9:17:49 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: grundle

Very sad. Her 12yo daughter was waiting in the car in the parking lot for mom to come out of the bank.

2 other women were kidnapped and were thrown or escaped from the moving vehicle. They are recovering.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/justice/california-bank-robbery/


34 posted on 08/11/2014 9:20:58 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: flamberge
Why did the police allow the final suspect to even survive? In times past police would have finished him off without a second thought.

When was that past?

35 posted on 08/11/2014 9:22:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: flamberge; Chode; Usagi_yo
Police in combat shootings (against armed opponents) can rarely hit any target more than 20% of the time. This has been well-known for decades by researchers in that field.

Sounds like Chode & Usagi have the right of it, then.

De-escalation, rather than CONFRONTATION, and make it a privilege for a King's Man to be armed.

36 posted on 08/11/2014 9:23:42 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: grundle
There were nineteen cops involved in the shooting; all are or were on admin leave. The car looked like Bonnie and Clyde's car when it was done.

The three perps took three hostages from the bank, shot the first hostage driver when she wasn't driving good enough for them and then kicked her out of the car all while firing an "AK47" type weapon at the following cops. They took police on an hour long chase through the central valley, shooting up the place as they went. Later they kicked out the second hostage. The car was finally cornered where the final shootout occurred.

All three perps were gang members(Norteno) with criminal records. Two of the cops go to our church; they tried to make the best of a very bad situation. The nineteen year old pulled the last hostage over him when the final shootout happened, she died and he lived. He's a coward, hiding behind a woman.

The cops are pretty sure these three had robbed this bank before. This was our bank branch and it is now closed permanently.

37 posted on 08/11/2014 9:24:03 PM PDT by bubbacluck (America 180)
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To: kiryandil

so I see that Free Republic has some tourists from the “ better surrendering on my knees and avoid that inconvenient fight on my feet” DU land. Geez everybody here is wearing me out. Are you guys so overrun with rabid animals from Mexico that you are suffering from the Stockholm Syndrome? It was a friggin’ Yahoo (AP) story. These gangbangers had a ball on their way out and they got just what the Mexican consulate wanted..a bunch of hate-the-cops apologists.


38 posted on 08/11/2014 9:24:26 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (It's not racism..... it's probability, actuarial tables, statistics. Facts are stubborn things.)
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To: Chode

The thugs who took this woman hostage are most likely gang affiliated and may well be illegal.....that area of California has serious MS-13 involvement


39 posted on 08/11/2014 9:26:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: realcleanguy

More likely MS 13


40 posted on 08/11/2014 9:27:16 PM PDT by Nifster
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