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To: brent13a

you noticed that too.

I can have more of a decent debate with a liberal than a liberltarian, hell liberaltarians are more to the left than liberals on social issues

There has been a handful moaning about cops and using this incident to spew their cop hatred. Guess they must have been stopped for taking their drugs illegally or stopped for speeding because they think no laws is a good thing.

After all we have many today who think the world evolves around them and they should do anything they want.


12 posted on 08/18/2014 5:20:57 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

The one thing the progressive left & liberaltarians have in common is painting with a very wide brush, and totally ignoring history.

You know like portraying the “neighborhood cop” of yesteryear as something far better than the “gestapo” police of today.
You know the sweet “neighborhood cops” that would at dusk pick up the stray negroes traveling through town & knock them about before dropping them off outside the edge of town. The sweet “neighborhood cops” that (pre-Miranda) would beat a guy into a forced confession. The sweet “neighborhood cops” that would form a posse at the drop of a hat (when a scared person would blame a negro for a crime) and hunt down the first negroes they could find & lock them up. The sweet “neighborhood cops” that would always look the other way in domestic fights because a woman should obey her man. The sweet “neighborhood cops” that would brush off almost all rape cases because a woman was just asking for it or making it up.

You know those sweet “neighborhood cops”, those are what the esteemed cop haters would rather we have.


24 posted on 08/18/2014 5:34:09 AM PDT by brent13a
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To: manc

I consider myself a Christian libertarian. I think government, especially the federal government should be severely limited in its scope and power. That would mean not advancing the liberal agenda as well as not advancing the so-called social conservative agenda. The federal government has no business regulating marriage, nor does it have any business telling a private businessman he has to bake a cake for a couple of perverts.

Cops and schools and many other things should be locally funded and controlled.

I must respectfully differ with anyone, including the esteemed Mr. Robinson, who thinks most cops, especially in larger urban areas, will not enforce unconstitutional laws at this point. And, by the way, in my sadly misspent youth, thirty years ago, I worked in law enforcement.

There are some Big L Libertarians who do fit your “liberaltarian” label. But I think social conservatives need to stop focusing on using the power of the federal government and federal legislation to enforce a “Christian” agenda. My copy of the Great Commission calls us to go into all the world and make disciples (of individuals) of all nations, teaching them to observe the commandments of Christ. If you want a Christian nation, as I do, you have to have Christian individuals.

As far as Ferguson goes, forgive me if I withhold judgment until the facts come out. After all, I think of the cops who shot up the wrong pickup in the Dorner case, of the cop who gunned down 13-year-old Andy Lopez because he was walking along the road with a toy gun and didn’t drop it fast enough, of the cops who shot a woman holding a cordless drill they mistook for an Uzi, of the dogs shot at the wrong house, of the no-knock warrants for non-violent criminals, of a baby burned and scarred by a flash-bang grenade thrown in its crib.

I think if this country is ever going to return to righteousness and freedom, small ‘l’ libertarians are going to have to be part of the conservative coalition. Right now, “conservatives” have nothing to conserve. The country I grew up in is gone, baby. Now it’s rollback and restoration, or you are merely “conserving” fascism and a budding police state.


68 posted on 08/18/2014 7:24:41 AM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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