[the scotsman]

I hope you are being funny.

Murder gets anywhere from 10-whole life tariff in the UK. Average probably about 15 yrs, which is far too little and most UK people want it to be 20-30 yrs.

The likes of child murder still gets 20+ yrs. Many UK child killers are on 30-50yr sentences. Or whole life.

[Mastador1]

Which is exactly why I sarcastically made the point that using a gun would probably have a higher penalty.