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The Islamic State Has Nothing to Do With Islam?
Frontpage ^ | 8/27/2014 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 08/27/2014 3:21:23 AM PDT by markomalley

Whatever they may disagree about, Western leaders are in complete agreement about one thing: the new self-styled caliphate, the Islamic State, has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. It’s a comforting, reassuring vision for Western non-Muslims facing a massive influx of Muslim immigrants and jittery about the prospect of Islamic terrorism, except for just one problem: it’s entirely false.

Barack Obama has made it clear: “ISIL speaks for no religion. Their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim, and no faith teaches people to massacre innocents.” David Cameron intoned: “What we are witnessing is actually a battle between Islam on the one hand and extremists who want to abuse Islam on the other. These extremists, often funded by fanatics living far away from the battlefields, pervert the Islamic faith as a way of justifying their warped and barbaric ideology – and they do so not just in Iraq and Syria but right across the world, from Boko Haram and al-Shabaab to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.”

State Department spokesperson Marie Harf emphasized that Obama meant what he said: “ISIL does not operate in the name of any religion. The president has been very clear about that, and the more we can underscore that, the better.” British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond declared: “[ISIL]’s so-called caliphate has no moral legitimacy; it is a regime of torture, arbitrary punishment and murder that goes against the most basic beliefs of Islam.” The British opposition agrees: Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper said that Islamic State “extremists are beheading people and parading their heads on spikes, subjugating women and girls, killing Muslims, Christians and anyone who gets in their way. This is no liberation movement — only a perverted, oppressive ideology that bears no relation to Islam.”

Cooper’s statement was a bit more specific than most others of its kind, and shows up the weakness of all of them. For every Islamic State atrocity she enumerated, there is Qur’anic sanction:

Beheading people: “When you meet the unbelievers, strike the necks…” (Qur’an 47:4).

Subjugating women and girls: “Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them” (Qur’an 4:34).

Killing Muslims: “They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya’ (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya’ (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them” (Qur’an 4:89).

Killing Christians: “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Qur’an 9:29).

Even if the Islamic State is misinterpreting or misunderstanding these verses, it is doing so in a way that accords with their obvious literal meaning. Yet this denial from Western leaders is nothing new. Obama, for his part, excuses and apologizes for Islam every time a jihadist atrocity affects the U.S. in some way. Of course, most would wave away his denial as a political necessity, and ask why it matters anyway — why does it make any difference whether or not what the Islamic State is doing is in accord with Islamic texts and teachings? Among other reasons, because it will help determine how much support the new caliphate will ultimately get from Muslims worldwide, and will serve as an indicator of how much we can expect to see the actions of the Islamic State replicated by other Muslims elsewhere.

The blizzard of articles and statements from Muslims and non-Muslims, including the leaders of the principal nations of the Western world, assuring us that what the Islamic State is doing has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam are designed to reassure non-Muslims in the West that they need not have any concerns about massive rates of Muslim immigration and the Muslims already living among them: “Not to worry, folks, your friend Ahmad down at the office will never start acting like those nuts in the Islamic State.”

One problem with this is that it prevents authorities from calling upon Muslim communities to teach against the doctrines that the Islamic State acts upon, and to work for genuine reform. And so the door remains open to the possibility that the actions of the Islamic State could be repeated in Western countries. Barack Obama and David Cameron would do far better to confront the Islamic State’s Islamic justifications for its actions and call on Muslims in the U.S., the U.K. and elsewhere to teach against these understandings of Islam that they ostensibly reject.

But they never do that, and apparently have no interest in doing it. Instead, they foster complacency among the people of the U.S. and Britain. For doing so, they may never pay a price, but their people will almost certainly have to pay, and pay dearly.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: isis; islam; islamists; qatar; rop; sharia
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1 posted on 08/27/2014 3:21:23 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Have they installed minarets yet at the White House?


2 posted on 08/27/2014 3:25:00 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: markomalley

Hard to imagine a bigger load of bollocks.

And as for reassurances from Mecca in the White House, it need only be said that every third word out of the president’s mouth is not only a lie, but a whopper.


3 posted on 08/27/2014 3:28:02 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: markomalley

How to fight Islim without offending Muslims.


4 posted on 08/27/2014 3:30:23 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: markomalley

ISIS = The true face of ISLAM, PERIOD.


5 posted on 08/27/2014 3:32:25 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

ISIS = The true face of ISLAM, PERIOD.


Bingo. It’s what they will look like if they are ever in the majority. The masks of moderation will come off.


6 posted on 08/27/2014 3:40:42 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: markomalley

[...the Islamic State, has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.]

The hell it doesn’t...the US Undersecretary of the Treasury investigating terrorism financing had this to say in MAR 2014:

http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl2308.aspx

Documents recovered during the 2011 raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound in Pakistan illustrate the same reality. Meticulously kept records detailed expenditures on everything from salaries for fighters and their families to floppy disks, and even included receipts for explosives.

Turned away by banks and other reputable financial institutions, terrorist groups have increasingly turned to less regulated channels – including hawaladars, exchange houses, and cash couriers – to transfer funds.

Iran remains the world’s most active state sponsor of terrorism, planning terrorist attacks, providing lethal aid, and delivering hundreds of millions of dollars per year in support to extremist groups across the globe. Hizballah, for example, has received significant monetary payments from Iran to fund the group’s activities in support of the brutal Asad regime. And during the past several years, Iranian weapons shipments, reportedly destined for Shia militants in Bahrain and Huthi rebels in Yemen, have been interdicted by local authorities.

Most notably, Qatar, a longtime U.S. ally, has for many years openly financed Hamas, a group that continues to undermine regional stability. Press reports indicate that the Qatari government is also supporting extremist groups operating in Syria.

But a number of fundraisers operating in more permissive jurisdictions – particularly in Kuwait and Qatar – are soliciting donations to fund extremist insurgents, not to meet legitimate humanitarian needs. The recipients of these funds are often terrorist groups, including al-Qa’ida’s Syrian affiliate, al-Nusrah Front, and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the group formerly known as al-Qa’ida in Iraq (AQI).

The US Govt knows what is going on - the Barry Administration is choosing not to act on this information/intelligence!


7 posted on 08/27/2014 3:42:17 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: markomalley

These guys give me the impression of a mix of mercenaries, mafia, and pirates. They’re sort of the Democrat party of Islamics.


8 posted on 08/27/2014 3:47:23 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: markomalley

ISIS has everything to do with Islam. Not because of ISIS per se, but because so-called “moderate” Muslims aren’t stopping them. Their complete silence on the radicals in their religion is more condemnable than the radicals themselves. Silence is assent.


9 posted on 08/27/2014 3:48:59 AM PDT by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cymbaline

Even though many of the moderate Muslims might like to speak out in condemnation of ISIL, they don’t dare do so for fear of losing their heads.


10 posted on 08/27/2014 4:05:27 AM PDT by ImNotLying
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To: markomalley

92% of Saudi Arabians approve of ISIS.

16% of.... France does.

The “that’s not true Islam” lie needs to stop.


11 posted on 08/27/2014 4:21:43 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: markomalley

ISIS/Islam...nothing to see here folks, move on.


12 posted on 08/27/2014 4:29:05 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Cymbaline

> ISIS has everything to do with Islam.

Because everything they do is commanded in the Q’ran and Hadiths.


13 posted on 08/27/2014 4:30:48 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: markomalley
"The Islamic State Has Nothing to Do With Islam?" Here's a statement to rival 'Peace in Our Time' as the most asinine and gullible proclamation ever made!!
14 posted on 08/27/2014 4:31:51 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: markomalley
Whatever they may disagree about, Western leaders are in complete agreement about one thing: the new self-styled caliphate, the Islamic State, has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam

On the contrary, I posit that it is the true face of islam.


15 posted on 08/27/2014 4:32:00 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: markomalley

Barack Obama has made it clear: “ISIL speaks for no religion


The Liar in Chief said it so it has to be a LIE. A big fat bold face lie because it came from his stinking pie hole. Nothing comes from this imposters mouth but LIES.

ISIS/ISIL is Islam. It is what these Muslims think is the future.

They behead because their rapist prophet told them to do it


16 posted on 08/27/2014 4:53:55 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: PoloSec

....Oh there is PLENTY to see!


17 posted on 08/27/2014 4:57:15 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ImNotLying

....Or they sit on their hands in “silent support”.


18 posted on 08/27/2014 4:58:13 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: markomalley

Until our politicians and media are willing to talk about the reality of Islam the way Mr. Spencer does, we are fighting a losing war. All the blood and treasure we spend is simply wasted, because we refuse to acknowledge the reality, let alone devise an effective solution. But 99% of them never will.


19 posted on 08/27/2014 5:00:31 AM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!")
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To: markomalley
The Islamic State IS ISLAM!

Get over your feel-good, liberal gooiness! The only thing we need to know about Islam is how to kill Mussies efficiently and totally!

20 posted on 08/27/2014 5:04:55 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfusbutcher)
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