Posted on 09/04/2014 12:49:45 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
NATO: Thousands of Russian Soldiers Armed with Hundreds of Tanks Tracked in Ukraine More than a thousand Russian military men and hundreds of tanks reported on Ukraine territory.
Censor.NET reports citing Ukrainska Pravda that on Thursday, the news was broken at informal occasion under confidentiality conditions by an officer of the North Atlantic Alliance.
NATO earlier reported "MORE than a 1,000" Russian soldiers acting on the territory of Ukraine noting that Moscow has ESCALATED its aggression in Ukraine.
"We are still witnessing many thousands of Russian soldiers on the territory of Ukraine equipped with tanks. The number of Russian troopers in Ukraine has NOT changed," the NATO representative stated.
He pointed out that another 20,000 Russian military men remain positioned at the border with Ukraine.
On Thursday, NATO Secretary General stated that Russia is attacking Ukraine continuing the escalation. It is possible to speak about the overt military offensive. Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/n301172
04.09.14 08:14
ALSO: Number of Strikes from Russian Territory Increased - Information Resistance-
Russia has intensified fire from its territory.
As reported by Censor.NET, Dmitry Tymchuk, head of the Center for Military and Political Analysis referring to the most recent data by Information Resistance group.
In particular, he noted, along with decreased intensity of shooting by the Russian terrorists, the invaders enhanced fire from the territory of the RF.
Read also: Ukrainian Soldiers Killed at Least 100 Russian Soldiers and Terrorists Last Night - Tymchuk
“Mine-throwers and BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers fired at the positions of the Ukrainian troops near the villages of Debaltsevo, Mykytyno, Fashchivka, Krasna Talivka, and Hreblya. Firing from the RF territory has been tracked at the Ukrainian armed forces positions in the areas of Vesela Hora, Dmytrivka, Peremoha, and Valuyske settlements,” Tymchuk wrote.
According to reports by Information Resistance group, the Russian military fired at the Ukrainian territory using BM-30 Smerch multiple launch rocket systems: “Near Peremoha settlement, the Ukrainian positions we fired at from Smerch rocket launchers on three occasions.” Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/n301094
Or, was this part of the Russian plan all along.
I'd like some opinions from those who have been following CLOSELY. Dispassionate if possible.
Russian plans all along.
Putin sees the former Soviet states as rightly a part of Russia, he is rebuilding the evil empire
Ever notice these stories claim numerous sightings of Russian government units but never show pictures of them?
Remember the Ukrainian government earlier having to retract fake stories about Russian mechanized columns invading and being destroyed?
Here Ukraine is claiming this is a NATO verified claim.
It would sure be nice to know what an accurate outlet is for Ukraine news.
My belief is that Russia was FORCED to escalate there invasion due to:
1.) DNR unable to win against Ukrainian forces even with superior weapons;
2.) Economic pressures due to Europe support of sanctions,
3.) Misreading the Ukraine citizens. Even though their are different political opinions, the people want the integrity of their nation manitained.
4.) Putin is scared of the support WITHIN Russia for Ukraine.. even among their own military!
You mean like the phony NATO claim that they had proof Assad used chemical weapons on his own people?
If the reports of Ukrainian forces killing so many Russian troops are accurate, I find it hard to believe that Putin is not escalating this. Putin seems like the type to send an overwhelming force if his preliminary troops get spanked.
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I think there is a deep plan in progress. Communists planned to take over east and west coast ports in the late 1940’s. Took over control of many workers unions(by working hard and showing up). National far left parties like Party for Socialism and Liberation have infiltrated moderate left parties like green parties since their candidates in their Marxist/Leninist far left parties don’t get enough votes to gain ballot status. A lot of this in the past year. Rallies against Israel, plans to block Israeli ship entering western port, San Diego I think. Anyone else see other confirming evidence in this past year?
He also had to judge the Western reaction, and when he was sure we would (of course) do more of nothing, he sent the heavy armor forces in. All while setting out "peace" proposals as a ruse to block any further Western action.
Maybe Putin intends going to Kiev after all.
The Kiev junta would rather engage in propaganda than actual fighting, but the problem is they're scaring their own conscript army with the repeated stories about Russian battalions.
I do not have Gleeaikin. Appreciation of ping though.
ping caww ... seen any photo evidence?
~If the reports of Ukrainian forces killing so many Russian troops are accurate, I find it hard to believe that Putin is not escalating this. Putin seems like the type to send an overwhelming force if his preliminary troops get spanked.~
Ukrainian military is virtually non-existent in E.Ukraine by now. A single power really fighting for the government are ‘right wing’ and oligarch’s private armies. Not to say these weren’t the main driver earlier but at least the military provided air and artillery strikes.
I thought the same regarding photo evidence. Thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks? No way that there cannot be plenty of film and still shots.
Unfortunately you have to read both sides and determine what the evidence shows and if or not it's real. ...generally the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Also interesting is how each responds....with or without evidence. An example would be why does Ukraine continue to deny access to records of the flight patterns etc. of the plane crash awhile back......when everyone else has offered freely what they have. Which lends one to think what are they hiding.
I also think it's good to know something of the actors in this theater. Ukraine's time and again been caught lying. US as well.....and unfortunately because Russia is on the border there movements are always exaggerated one way or another. Heck even when Putin announced what and who he was sending in it was framed he was “invading”.....which if Putin wanted to ‘invade’ he wouldn't be sending in just 15 “lost” soldiers along the border to get the job done now would he?
Sometimes common sense works well...there's so much hype and misinformation that you have to deduct what makes the most sense....often by ‘who stands to gain’ by the actions/movements that are reported.
Much of what Putin does is simply to keep people in the dark of actually what he intends to do/or not do. Like cat and mouse.....he creeps up to the borders and everyone crys “invasion”.....or this and that convoys are ‘heading toward’ or in a certain Direction...rather than are they In Ukraine or not. A lot of hype starts and escalates with any move Putin makes...IMO because Obama wants the hype while he maneuver's with Nato Nations....if there isn't a threat his plans get slowed down.
Just getting here but haven't seen any earlier today...Ukraine's notorious for making many claims that fizzle quickly because they don't have any evidence. But the US teams are handling what's given out for the most part...so under Obama they aren't going to provide anything unless it makes his position on any matter favorable to him.
He's got his hands full with pressure to go after ISIS....the last thing he wants is anything which would indicate Russians are being killed in Ukraine at this juncture, because the pressure to act against Russia would increase all the further then it already is. ...none want war between the US and Russia on Ukraine soil.
What Nato is doing is via the US and others, they have people on the ground already handling what's left of the military....Nato cannot go in because Ukraine is not a member state....so they're dodging that issue by sending in Pentagon Military so called “Advisers”.....and today Nato is pledging to send 15 million to Ukraine for Military purposes to beef up Ukraine's army.....(The Oligarchs will love that!)
...I think you get the picture...both sides are not going to admit they have military in Ukraine...because neither Russia nor the US wants a “war” between them...if that was stated then the entire game would change.
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