Posted on 09/08/2014 6:20:27 AM PDT by Qiviut
Yes, who knows what was in that syringe and where it has been.
I can’t help thinking about the clinic that was looted, where the bloody sheets and mattresses were stolen....
Several reasons.
1) Past Ebola outbreaks were in sparsely populated / jungle areas. It was both simpler to quarantine the population (less people, less ongoing contact with the outside world anyway), and fewer people were involved.
2) Also coming into play are the cultural norms of preparing the dead for burial (washing the body) which is a *very* efficient means of transferring viable virus, *and* the effects of rumor-mongering (”there is no such thing as Ebola” / “they” are trying to get us all killed / etc. etc.) on a historically undereducated population
3) The multiple consequences of poverty: 1) lack of adequate supplies for doctors for personal protective gear (safety gloves being washed and re-used!) 2) the lack of sophisticated treatments for patients? No, lack of money for things considered rudimentary in the United States, e.g. no 3-day turnaround for blood tests since there *are* no blood tests — the annual per-capita spending on health in Liberia is around $100 for *everything*. 3) the dire economic necessity of keeping whatever economy there *is*, humming: they don’t have the economic safety margin to shut down for 21 days and let things settle
Finally, there is the problem of African *heat* — working 16-hour days in a plastic suit, goggles fog up, you get sweat-logged, etc. — there might be a temptation to get careless; but due to the lack of money anyone not in the hot wards themselves is lucky to have rubber gloves, let alone a full body suit and face shield.
yep
Thanks for the ping!
Why ansel! I do believe you are stalking me!
No you don’t, rather than go personal, just read my response to your post 13, and try to make a relevant response to it.
Try to get back on this thread.
To: null and void
**”Americans are above the need for anything so pesky as a quarantine!”**
The 3 American patients, two doctors and a kind of nurse, were all “quarantined”, they are/were treated at one of our 4 special quarantine isolation units for this disease.
Who told you that they weren’t quarantined?
24 posted on 9/8/2014 10:27:04 AM by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation’s electorate for democrats)
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I remember reading about a huge scandal several years ago involving experimental drugs being tested on 3rd-world patients. I would bet there are now a ton of regulations restricting which drugs can be sent where, especially when those drugs are still in the testing stages like the Ebola ones.
An unscreened and unprotected paparazzi got surprisingly close to one of the victims in a US hospital parking lot.
Is that really your idea of a quarantine?
*click* spin *click* spin *click* spin...
So tell me, how do you feeeeeeel about The Living God's scheme to replay the spread of The Spanish Influenza via moving US troops in and out of the hot zone en mass?
Or are you hoping it's a one way trip for them?
To be consistent you'd have to demand that hundreds of exposed American military be treated in CONUS hospitals, unless, of course, you think they aren't as good, just aren't quite as American as a civilian nurse.
They were taken as patients into the special clinic for treating their disease and built for maximum quarantine and isolation because of the Ebola and Sars, and more, research center only a few hundred feet away, and they were isolated in suits, so don’t be silly talking about the paparazzi being “surprisingly close” as you want to try to describe.
The Unit is the ULTIMATE QUARANTINE, built 13 years ago as the ultimate quarantine unit for this very purpose.
No you don’t, rather than go personal, just read my response at post 49 to your post, and try to make a relevant response to it.
Try to get back on this thread.
Do you support exposing thousands of American troops to Ebola in Africa or not?
Would you bar hundreds of exposed AMERICAN troops to the very best medical care on US soil?
If so, why? If not, why not?
I did make the relevant response, they were quarantined.
They were treated in the special clinic that was built to treat people like them and the researchers who have been working with Ebola for years, just down the street from that special quarantine clinic.
“ATLANTA (AP) -
Emory’s isolation unit for infectious diseases was created 12 years ago to handle doctors who get sick at the CDC, just up the hill in Midtown Atlanta. It is one of about four in the country, equipped with everything necessary to test and treat people exposed to very dangerous viruses.
In 2005, it handled patients with SARS, which unlike Ebola can spread when an infected person coughs or sneezes.”
Thank you for that comment about needing to find out if it is weaponized.
Ruthless it might be but at least that makes sense.
Do you support exposing thousands of American troops to Ebola in Africa or not?
Would you bar hundreds of exposed AMERICAN troops to the very best medical care on US soil?
If so, why? If not, why not?
Keep in mind that these four facilities do not have enough beds between them to treat 50 patients at one go.
Man, are you getting way off topic.
I guess you lost interest in the quarantine thing.
The problem I believe is that people practically have to be hooked up to iv's and getting constantly hydrated to replace the dehydration brought about by constant retching and diarrhea. It's easy enough to do this for a few, but once it gets past the point where this can be done people start dying fast.
Ebola and samples have been in the United States and at the CDC in Atlanta, for many years.
This is from 2002 about being weaponized. Remember that the Army and DOD has been involved in assisting during Ebola breakouts since the first one in 1976.
“Though smallpox and anthrax loom as the likeliest boogeymen in a bioterrorism nightmare, the rare Ebola virus still evokes particular dread. This untreatable virus rapidly kills 80% to 90% of the humans it infects, and no one knows where it lurks in the years between its small-scale outbreaks, up to now confined to central Africa. Scientists in the former Soviet Union reportedly weaponized the virus.1
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) listed Ebola as a “select agent” in 1996, meaning that at least three antiterrorism statutes regulate it. Ebola is also one of the potential bioterrorism agents now targeted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. NIAID is seeking $1.4 billion for biodefense in fiscal 2003, a $1.2 billion jump over 2002. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) “has had a longstanding commitment to work on emerging infectious diseases, and this is a huge opportunity to advance that agenda and at that same time deal with the problems of bioterrorism,” notes Jack Killen, NIAID’s assistant director for biodefense research.
Soon to be showered with money, the Ebola research enterprise nevertheless will remain hamstrung by safety precautions that require space-suited scientists to toil in the few available biosafety level 4 facilities. An Ebola vaccine, though questionable for protecting large populations against an uncertain threat, might reduce investigators’ infection risk and speed their progress.”
NOTHING is more on point than sending thousands of fairly well trained troops into a hot zone where dozens if highly trained doctors have flat out DIED from Ebola, where entire hospital staffs have been wiped out.
Even you should be capable of foreseeing the possibility that of thousands of of troops 10% could become infected.
Would you bring all of that cohort back to the continental US for treatment at those four hype-facilities or not?
They are all Americans, that was your criteria for playing Ebola Roulette with the 3 doctors and one nurse brought here for treatment.
Or are military üntermenschen in your pantheon?
I do believe he is stalking you!
It seems that recent information indicates that the original outbreak was indeed in a sparsely populated area. http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/health/ebola-patient-zero/index.html
In fact patient zero was in a lower population area than the Democratic Republic of The Congo where the previous outbreak had occurred. However, before it was detected as Ebola, it had already been spreading for three months, and into at least three other more populated areas. That was in March of 2014 that health official became aware. By the time they were figuring out what happened, it was already much worse.
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