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I have given consideration to sex outside of marriage, and I'm not a big fan of it. It does happen. If it happens with the person the second party has made a committment with and later marries, I'm not convinced God views the person to be worthy of enternal damnation for the commission.

Not only do I not have to agree with you; God doesn't have to agree with your self-centered opinion, either. And God, not I, is who has already judged and condemned anyone who does this; who condemns this faulty judgment in his word.

Mark 10: 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Matthew 5: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

1 Corinthians 6 9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

"If it happens": As though that's an unavoidable accident that a man just can't be held responsible for.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

I have given consideration to sex outside of marriage, and I'm not a big fan of it. It does happen. If it happens with the person the second party has made a committment with and later marries, I'm not convinced God views the person to be worthy of enternal damnation for the commission.

Not only do I not have to agree with you; God doesn't have to agree with your self-centered opinion, either. And God, not I, is who has already judged and condemned anyone who does this; who condemns this faulty judgment in his word.

Okay, so you're still going to go with the put-down approach rather than discuss this like adults. That's a good Christian.

A single man and a single woman are shipwrecked on an island for five years. They become close friends over the months. They realize they have more than their accidental situation in common. They realize they care for each other and make committments they believe in to each other. They promise to remain a couple after they are found. They agree to settle down in a certain city. They talk about having children. They agree they want to have normal adult sexual relations.

Going by what you have been sticking to up until now, you beleive they are both guilty of sin if they have sex. I don't. They have made a committment, and in the eyes of God I think they are covered. If you wish to hold out for the death penalty for this, I won't be joining you..

Mark 10: 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

This isn't related to what we're talking about, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to include it. I agree with it. I think divorce is wrong. I think adults should work together to overcome differences, and remain together.

I will say that if a man is being physical with his wife, and she has tried to work with him, she has every right to escape him rather than be abused.

By the same token, if a man should catch his wife sleeping around with other men, he tries to get her to stop and she won't, he should be able to leave her.

Matthew 5: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Yes, once again this has nothing to do with pre-marital sex. These are both post marital matters. And now that you have included it, you have posted a conflict. Look at the definitive text you provided above this one. Now look at this one. One leave no loopholes and the other does. Which one do we follow?.

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So that guy on the island committed a sin. And that woman on the island also committed a sin. Look, life doesn't always work out like we want. I don't think a loving God is going to look down and condemn us for being human, if we are trying to live a good life. If your view of God is that he will entrap us and hold us accountable, we're not worshiping the same God. My God is a loving God that feels compassion and understands the short time we are on this earth, and does not want us to live in misery. That God would want the man and the woman to comfort each other on that island.

I view this as an admonission against looking at women in genral and thinking inappropriate thoughts. I do not view a man who is engaged to be married, to be committing adultry if he looks upon his fiance and desires her. Every man would be guilty and die in the final judgement if that were true.

1 Corinthians 6 9 ¶ Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

It is my perception that if a man and a woman have dated for a significant time, they have made committments to each other, and they intend to follow through, they are niether fornicators or adulterers if they have pre-marital sex.

Do I think they should live together before marriage? No. I would not suggest men or women should avoid being married or putting it off. If they feel they want to get married, they should do it. If they can't get up the money for a big wedding, then go to the justice of the peace and do it that way. I don't think men and women should be carrying on for years just putting it off. I believe that would be wrong.

"If it happens": As though that's an unavoidable accident that a man just can't be held responsible for.

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

People also error by assumig they grasp God fully and need to explain Him to everyone else. I have witnessed more church-going sinners drive other sinners away from God than you could imagine.

Do you believe the effiminate won't make it into heaven? That's the general message literalists will come away with after reading 1 Corintians 6:9 above. My take on it is that if a person is not born manly, but tries to live a decent life adhering to God's dictates, he will be judged to have been a good and faithful servant.

That's not what it says in the text. You see, we dont fully understand God. I believe He does fully understand us. It's what is in my heart that He cares about.