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QE3 Ends the Same Way Other QEs Did
Townhall.com ^ | October 14, 2014 | John Ransom

Posted on 10/14/2014 4:51:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

The stock market, which normally looks down the road 12 months or so, is beginning to get the idea that the days of riskless trading via expanded PEs are over. As we move into earnings season, the market is having a case of the doubts. Previously, such doubts would have been masked by cash via the Federal Reserve program known as QE.

But in the absence of that extra money made available via QE, traders are going to have to use some other means of chasing the markets upward. Generally those means are earnings.

But this time earnings may not be able to save the market.

Here’s why: Although on a relative basis the S&P 500’s 18 times price-earnings ratio has some room to grow if history is the guide, we are in an exceptional part of history.

While it’s true that the market has sustained higher PEs, it’s also true that those PEs were possible because of higher GDP growth than we have right now.

Today PEs have expanded via the record amount of money that has been made available corporately in the investment markets, not because of organic economic growth. Never before have central banks around the world so coordinated efforts to inject liquidity into economies.

And despite the experts’ protestations that we are in a recovery, the first quarter of the year was more like a mini-recession than it was a recovery. While job creation has picked up a little, the non-recovery recovery has lasted so long that it will be years before the job market gets real tight.

That means wages will be lower, job creation slower.

That means that a robust economy is not in the offing anytime real soon. That's because jobs and wage gains are needed to fuel organic economic growth.

That means that there is no reason for PEs to expand any further.

Think of it like this: Just as inflation hits goods and services in an expanding economy with dollars chasing prices upward, so too does inflation chase price earnings ratios upward—think of PEs as relative price. Previously quantitative easing provided those dollars, pushing up relative price in the stock market. But now they have to come from dollars generated by the economy through job creation, wage increases and organic economic growth.

And none of those pressures are happening to a degree necessary to expand earnings rapidly enough to inflate price earnings ratios.

Getting past the fundamentals of the economy you also have this stark reality to deal with too: In two previous tries at stopping quantitative easing, the S&P 500 has not reacted well.

In March 2010, the Fed wound down its first quantitative easing program. But merely one month later-- by the end of April-- the market was in a full-fledged retreat. It didn’t recover from that retreat until QE2 was announced in November of 2010.

The QE2 easing program went until June 2011, at which point the market again retreated until the current quantitative easing (QE3) started. It’s been QE3 that has sustained the market gains since September 2012. Until we see more and better organic economic growth expect the markets to act pretty badly in the absence of QE and organic economic growth. .


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1 posted on 10/14/2014 4:51:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Yep. It’s all been smoke and mirrors. Without the Fed pumping in virtual dollars, the virtual stock market bubble will seek its true level. Wherever that is...


2 posted on 10/14/2014 5:03:16 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: Kaslin

‘Fall of Recovery,’ 2014”

I can literally SEE/FEEL my business contracting by the day. People do NOT have any cash to spare these days.

2015 is going to be a doozy!


3 posted on 10/14/2014 5:43:22 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Thommas

So the stock market is holding the Federal Reserve hostage, at the expense of economic survival for most US citizens.


4 posted on 10/14/2014 5:45:47 AM PDT by grania
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To: Kaslin

One of the more realistic assessments I have been reading.


5 posted on 10/14/2014 5:48:25 AM PDT by saintgermaine (Is she somehow related)
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To: Thommas

They just need to keep the shell game going a little longer until Republicans are in place to take the blame.


6 posted on 10/14/2014 6:03:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I have the same feeling that’s why I got rid of my business in 2011 after it had been around for almost ninety years. You just can’t compete with a government which does everything in its power to kill the economy, sorry to say. They may claim good intention, what usually is the socialists approach but keep on forgetting that the road to hell is paved with good intentions and invariably ends there as well.


7 posted on 10/14/2014 6:04:19 AM PDT by saintgermaine (Is she somehow related)
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To: saintgermaine

I manage a retail operation for a company. We’re not closing, but it certainly isn’t going to be the Gravy Years of the past.

0bamacare is kicking our butts, as is the economy as well as much-needed but totally disruptive road construction.

Hard to find good employees, too. Our local economy is quite strong, but people are spooked on a nation-wide level.

I know *I* certainly am.


8 posted on 10/14/2014 6:14:16 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Thommas

You said it. And when the QE (all of ‘em) bills come due, who’s going to be standing tall enough to pay ‘em?


9 posted on 10/14/2014 7:17:27 AM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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