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In light of the Zimmerman and Dunn trials, is the jury system broken? (Part 1)
AllVoices ^ | February 22, 2014 | Harold Michael Harvey, JD

Posted on 10/29/2014 7:10:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the early 90s I had several months with not a lot to do and ended up watching a lot of Court TV. I came away basically disgusted with our court system. Juries can by just plain stupid.

I am not a fan of F. Lee Bailey but I agree with him on one thing he said. He said the American judicial system was flawed in that it often found guilty people innocent and innocent people guilty.

He said the military system of justice is better but I know nothing about it.


21 posted on 10/29/2014 7:43:28 PM PDT by yarddog (G)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For instance, Trayvon Martin does not get the benefit of the doubt that he had a right to walk home without being stalked and baited into fighting by a white man.

LOL!!! Yeah, old Trayvon was baiting into beating up the white Hispanic.

Who is this moron? And why doesn't he delve into the jury trials of the thousands of black-on-black murders?

22 posted on 10/29/2014 7:46:30 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: P-Marlowe

That’s what it looks like.


23 posted on 10/29/2014 7:46:44 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: yldstrk

bttt


24 posted on 10/29/2014 7:46:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bullshirt. Did that clown even watch the Zimmerman trial??? No way could ANY non-biased jury say guilty with that joke of a prosecution.


25 posted on 10/29/2014 7:46:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Pointing out dereliction of duty is NOT fear mongering, especially in a panDEMic)
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yldstrk:" Zimmerman jury was right on, don’t know what the Dunn case was "

Jurors in Jacksonville, Florida found Michael Dunn guilty of first degree murder for the shooting death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after a confrontation over loud music.
Michael Dunn fired 10 times into car loaded with black teens, ultimately killing Jordan Davis , who was sitting in a friends car.
Michael Dunn was sentanced to life imprisonment.

26 posted on 10/29/2014 7:48:17 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt
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To: yldstrk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jordan_Davis


27 posted on 10/29/2014 7:48:23 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (t)
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To: Paladin2

You left out the IRS....that’s beyond broken, it’s evil.


28 posted on 10/29/2014 7:50:04 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

U R correct! My Bad.


29 posted on 10/29/2014 7:51:38 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: pfflier

Peers means fellow citizens not fellow criminals.


30 posted on 10/29/2014 7:51:41 PM PDT by tioga
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Harold Michael Harvey, JD's insistence on letting everyone know his credentials is ironically hilarious. He arrogantly postures and presumes to a legal and constitutional expertise that he in no way actually possesses. Putting it bluntly, the man is a hack, a legal incompetent who uses the jargon of the law to push a racist agenda. He flatly and repeatedly lies about the facts of the Martin/Zimmerman case.

I suggest everyone take a moment to review the facts of his disbarment from the practice of law in 2002 for incompetence and malfeasance. From Findlaw:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ga-supreme-court/1193317.html

(*excerpted - I recommend you read the whole finding)

Supreme Court of Georgia.

IN RE: Harold Michael HARVEY. No. S06Y0176. Decided: October 24, 2005 Elizabeth M. Williamson, Assistant General Counsel State Bar, William P. Smith, III, General Counsel State Bar, for State Bar of Georgia.

This matter is before the Court on the Review Panel's report and recommendation that Respondent Harold Michael Harvey be disbarred from the practice of law for his violations of Rules 1.3,  1.4,  1.15(I),  1.15(II),  5.5,  7.5,  and 8.4 of Bar Rule 4-102(d).

In 2002 this Court suspended Harvey from practice for two years, see In the Matter of Harvey, 275 Ga. 28, 560 S.E.2d 646 (2002), and Harvey certified to the Court that he had complied with the requirements of Bar Rule 4-219(c) of notifying his clients, removing any indicia that he was a practicing lawyer and immediately ceasing the practice of law.   Nevertheless, 18 months later Harvey was continuing to maintain his law office as The Harvey Law Firm and his staff wrote letters on the firm's letterhead with Harvey's approval despite a warning from the Office of the General Counsel at the State Bar. ...

...In light of Harvey's pattern of neglect in his handling of legal matters and his obvious disregard for the rules and ethics under which lawyers are allowed and privileged to practice law in this State, we hereby order that the name of Harold Michael Harvey be removed from the rolls of individuals authorized to practice law in Georgia.   He is once again reminded of his duties under Bar Rule 4-219(c).

Disbarred.

PER CURIAM.

All the Justices concur.

31 posted on 10/29/2014 8:04:34 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Raycpa; P-Marlowe; SWAMPSNIPER; BenLurkin; tioga; Paladin2; All

ping to post 31

I’d be interested in your thoughts about “J.D” Harvey in light of that information.


32 posted on 10/29/2014 8:11:35 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: tarheelswamprat

Wow.


33 posted on 10/29/2014 8:20:13 PM PDT by tioga
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To: oldplayer

“Is the jury system broken?”

Yes, but for none of the reasons described in the article, which is a whiny, worthless piece of garbage. I find it odd that these liberal whiners have absolutely no interest in or use for history except for the bits and pieces that suit their particular narrative.

We copied a very bad judicial system. Many countries in Europe have much better systems. In those, the prosecutor and the defense attorney BOTH have their first allegiances to the law and the truth, not to “win or lose”. The defense attorney is their to ensure that the evidence and law is fairly applied to their client.

Also, our system tends to select the dumbest and most pliable jurists possible.


34 posted on 10/29/2014 8:24:41 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: tioga

Of course. I assume that means that ghetto gangster slimeballs, dopers, pedophiles, lawyers and community organizers don’t qualify as “peers”.


35 posted on 10/29/2014 8:26:17 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What was “broken” in the Zimmerman case was being charged in the first place

A political witch hunt is all it ever was


36 posted on 10/29/2014 8:26:59 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (STOP flights and immigration from HOT Zones . . .NOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For instance, Trayvon Martin does not get the benefit of the doubt that he had a right to walk home without being stalked and baited into fighting by a white man.

...

I think the system that gave the author a law degree is broken.


37 posted on 10/29/2014 8:30:21 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Was the school above a barber shop or an oil change service station?


38 posted on 10/29/2014 8:33:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

“Many countries in Europe have much better systems”

Name them, please. I probably will beg to differ as to each.

Oldplayer


39 posted on 10/29/2014 8:39:50 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the author knows more than and better than the jurors ...

I think the author is a egotistical jerk - liberal - leftist who thinks that because the jury didn’t see it his way then they had to have made a total error... The Hubris of this ego maniac ... WOW!

“For instance, Trayvon Martin does not get the benefit of the doubt that he had a right to walk home without being stalked and baited into fighting by a white man.

Jordan Davis does not get the benefit of the doubt that he had a right to disregard a command to turn his music down without being shot to death by a white man.

In each instance, a white man was the aggressor who initiated the deadly altercation.”


40 posted on 10/29/2014 8:47:00 PM PDT by ICCtheWay
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