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To: papertyger
Your presumption that people who are less offended are better informed is a conceit.

Again, you're misreading my words, and then apparently basing your disagreement on that.

It has nothing to do with being offended or not being offended. You're making that connection, I'm not.

It's all about being informed, whether a person has a basis for being offended by it or not. If the issue had been debated objectively in the public square, so that it was common, research-based knowledge that people are not born homosexual, then a PR campaign proclaiming "God made me this way, so it's bigotry for you to object" simply wouldn't get a lot of footing.

The reason the movement has made so much progress is that the only counter-arguments one hears in the public arena are those based on moral/religious objections, and we all agree that we're not a theocracy, so we're not going to be able to use those arguments with people who don't believe as we do. To them, the arguments of the activists sound perfectly reasonable. They may, however, be persuaded by rational, scientific arguments that they unfortunately have never heard.

117 posted on 10/30/2014 9:08:55 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: william clark
If the issue had been debated objectively in the public square, so that it was common, research-based knowledge that people are not born homosexual, then a PR campaign proclaiming "God made me this way, so it's bigotry for you to object" simply wouldn't get a lot of footing.

Nonsense. Do you think for one minute if "research-based knowledge" demonstrated homosexual behavior is a choice homosexuals would admit degeneracy or their own intransigence?

They didn't even want to close the bathhouses when public health was at risk.

As for "getting a footing," I suggest you research the power and methods of advertising before making such misguided pronouncements. Everything from "blood libels" to "Islamophobia" disproves you assertion.

The reason the movement has made so much progress is that the only counter-arguments one hears in the public arena are those based on moral/religious objections...

Again, nonsense. There are a myriad of reasons, from public health to gender balkanization, for opposing homosexual acceptance. Almost all of them are systematically scrubbed from view of those not involved in the practice by those who are, and those same activists debate only the moral/religious objections precisely because the public considers them ambiguous. Anything else gets shouted down.

The problem is not the lack of a fair and reasoned debate. The problem is a fair and reasoned debate is not in the interests of homosexual activists, and because of their commitment to their choices they use any and every resource in their possession to skew the debate onto subjective grounds.

123 posted on 10/30/2014 11:14:51 AM PDT by papertyger (Those who don't fight evil hate those who do)
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