Posted on 11/11/2014 8:11:28 AM PST by TangledUpInBlue
As a decent non-troll poster you should be supplying supporting evidence to your statements to start with rather than making a hundred readers go searching. That is unless you are just blustering nonsense rather than unsupportable facts.
““BTW, the long term prognosis for a survivor of ebola is a gradual wasting away due to internal organ damage. Malabsorbtion of nutrients thru damaged intestines and stomach, impared kidney and liver function, sterility of reproductive organs, damaged vision, and heart valve damage.””
Your statement actually make several specific claims about ebola survivors long term prognosis
1. gradual wasting away
2. malabsorption
3. impaired kidney and liver function
4. damaged vision
5. heart valve damage
In the article links you provided only one of those 5 claims is even remotely supported and that is damaged vision. But it is too early to tell from the current outbreak “long term” prognosis for anything. Survivors from previous outbreaks might be helpful. But again all of the previous ones, and the current ones that were referenced are all from back water medical establishments.
In addition to the 5 problems you listed, headaches, body aches and sexual weakness, are referenced among these 3rd world survivors.
From that point forward, I don't think anyone wants to rent ebowling shoes anymore?
“Prophet2520 Since Aug 20, 2014
Sorry dude. Cut some teeth.”
You assume too much. :-)
obola and the CDC did nothing. Name one thing they’ve done. Telling healthcare workers to check their temperature doesn’t count because that should be what the workers were doing in the first place. Besides, the temp taking was merely a warm fuzzy because no one was up in arms until they were outwardly sick and contagious. Asking for pinky swears to stay self quarantined worked sooooo well - not. So, again, nothing from obola or the CDC did anything. The borders are still open and planes are flying in from the hot zone. So, yeah, aside from sending 4000 US troops over there to get infected, please explain what it was that was actually done by the government?
Have your day while I am paying for what you do.
Ebola has been killing people since the 70's and a few people have survived it (20%), and the long term effects are horrible regardless of your zip code. And if you think the American medical system (I assume that is what you must refer to as "headwater medical establishments") can provide first rate care for hundreds of ebola patients at a time, you are nuts.
“The government of India is hardly “backwater medical establishments”. “
While two of the links you provided may be from Indian
sources they are talking about health care in Kenema, Sierra Leone, Africa.
There may be international organizations from competent countries in Africa trying to provide quality health care, but that is different. For months people were turned away from these clinics because there was not enough room. Within some of the articles you could see that some of the people involved did not get any treatment until they were very far along, having symptoms of hemorrhaging.
Compare that to America where Nurse Nina was monitoring her temperature daily and at the first sign of a fever she began getting care. Once you are to the point of hemorrhaging and THEN get care, your chances of survival are low and your chances of permanent damage way up.
Yeh I find it just a tad strange that we have no further infected people.
And just how many ebola patients could the american medical care infrastructure treat at one time with a goal of optimum outcome and no retransmission of the disease? Any random or quantified guesses?
Agreed. But my health insurance plan provides for strong disincentives to visit any facility capable of diagnosing and treating ebola. By the time I make my way thru my primary care physician to an admission to a hospital, I'll be hemorhaging like a lawn sprinkler. And I have really good health insurance.
“obola and the CDC did nothing. Name one thing they’ve done. “
1. CDC sent medical 50 plus experts to Africa working 24/7 to help. Less ebola in Afirca means less risk of spreading here.
2. CDC ordered $2.7 million in PPE(personal protective equipment) to assist U.S hospital caring for ebola patients. And prepared them into kits for rapid delivery to hospitals.
3. CDC posted guidelines which even when the hospital did not fully follow limited all U.S. contracted cases to two, with 100% survival rate.
4. CDC recommended appropriate airport security which contained the disease without crushing economies by overzealousness or paranoia
5. from July- Sept “CDC has been in close communication with hundreds of thousands of clinicians through notices distributed through CDC’s Health Alert Network,... The Ebola-related notices have included recommendations for evaluating patients, guidance for the nation’s Emergency Medical Services systems and 911 offices, and guidelines for infection control should a hospital or health care facility find themselves caring for a patient with known or suspected Ebola. AND conducted clinician education webinars, reaching more than 8,000 doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals. We’ve worked closely with the nation’s associations of hospitals, infection specialists, infection disease clinicians, and hospital epidemiologists, among others, to reach their members with critical information on preparing for Ebola to arrive unannounced in the United States”
6. CDC “We have a hotline —800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) —where medical personnel can call and be connected with public health experts”
7. CDC has provided checklists and decision guides to aid health workers in doing their jobs.
8. CDC was “working closely with hospitals across the nation. This includes assisting hospitals with holding drills to make sure hospital staff are properly prepared for the arrival of a patient who might have Ebola.”
9. Provided real information compared to the paranoid hyperbole seen here so often.
10. Gov’t sent thousands of troops to help contain the West African problem to reduce its chances of spreading here, and in response to African, government and world health organizations BEGGING for our help. Two months later WHO data supports that the outbreak in Africa not only stopped growing exponentially, but new cases declined radically.
So what did they do? In summary they are helping stop it in Africa and successfully stopped it here.
http://www.cdc.gov/24-7/protectingpeople/disease-detectives/
LOL, that is bad.
I don’t know, but it is not very relevant if it can be stopped before numbers get large. Unless Americans start fondling dead ebola victims, and eating bats, and other stupid 3rd world disease spreading habits, it should not be an issue.
That is called POLICY. Policy does not mean you have to do any thing. It means you have a plan. In this case the plan was to not quarantine the countries which had ebola outbreaks. We called for a quarantine out of fear of an ebola outbreak here.
What I am saying their policy appears to have been correct. But of course, you cannot agree. I understand.
I predicted on 10/22 that there would be zero sporadic cases in the USA by 11/22, and I stand by that. There is zero evidence for airborne or environmental transmission of Ebola.
That doesn’t make Obama and Frieden “right”. Their incompetence and mismanagement is directly responsible for the infections of 2 nurses in Dallas, millions of dollars in unnecessary expense, and the ongoing threat of new importations from West Africa.
“And just how many ebola patients could the american medical care infrastructure treat at one time with a goal of optimum outcome and no retransmission of the disease? Any random or quantified guesses?”
My moderately well-informed guess is about 20-25.
CDC made two critical errors in late July.
First was the statement that “any U.S. hospital with a private room can safely care for a patient with Ebola”.
Second was the persistence of clearly wrong infection prevention guidance up through 10/20/14, based on an incorrect analysis of risk factors for health care workers in West Africa.
Both of these errors were caused by the need to support Obama’s criminal open borders ideology. Dr. Frieden will be lucky to keep his job, and in a just world, Obama would lose his.
Right.
How many hospitals or health insurers will it bankrupt? I think your 20 to 25 guess is pretty good.
No non-government hospital could do this more than once. Most could not do it at all.
The four biocontainment units are grant-funded, and Bellevue is an NYC Department, and they presumably can't go bankrupt.
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