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Who's really stupid?: What Jonathan Gruber got wrong about ObamaCare
Fox News ^ | November 11, 2014 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 11/19/2014 5:14:09 PM PST by richardb72

Academics often believe they are the smartest people around, and they like to tell others how best to live their lives. Add the government’s power to control people’s lives and you have a dangerous combination.

Americans got a taste of this elitism when MIT’s Jonathan Gruber mocked "the stupidity of the American voter."

But American voters aren’t the only ones who make mistakes. Time after time, the “architect" of ObamaCare underestimated costs and overestimated how many people would be covered. Like so many Ivory Tower academics, Gruber doesn’t understand how the real world operates.

Could it be that those “stupid” American voters collectively understood things better than Gruber?

Gruber testified before the U.S. Senate that ObamaCare would guarantee “[s]izable premium savings for [the] young . . . . Even larger premium savings for older individuals. . . . Also large premium savings for a family.” He told the Washington Post, “What we know for sure the bill will do is that it will lower the cost of buying non-group health insurance.” . . .

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; california; fraud; gruber; grubergate; johnlott; jonathangruber; mediabias; nancypelosi; obama; obamacare; scandals; stupidvoters; taxes

1 posted on 11/19/2014 5:14:09 PM PST by richardb72
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To: richardb72
Gruber got it right....the American sheeple are stupid....voted obola in twice...voted in a rat senate because some just had to vote third party....

yup...stupid....

2 posted on 11/19/2014 5:23:10 PM PST by cherry
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To: richardb72

I’ll take Gruber lied to Congress for $200, Alex.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 5:24:15 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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4 posted on 11/19/2014 5:25:04 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: richardb72

The ONLY person who believed Gruber’s crap was JOHN ROBERTS.


5 posted on 11/19/2014 5:28:37 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: CMailBag
The ONLY person who believed Gruber’s crap was JOHN ROBERTS.

Nay nay.....about 70 million people did in 2012.

6 posted on 11/19/2014 5:31:06 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: richardb72

That’s a point I didn’t see anyone making.

Not only is he a dumbass, but his analysis is way wrong... people pay him for this?


7 posted on 11/19/2014 5:37:37 PM PST by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: richardb72

This is an x Ray into the soul of progressives, why they historically support the ultra rich and trod upon the rights of the little guy. Wilson’s support of the Federal Reserve Act was sold as protecting the common people against banks & crashes. Progressive Foxes guarding the Chicken House.


8 posted on 11/19/2014 5:42:06 PM PST by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The ONLY person who believed Gruber’s crap was JOHN ROBERTS. Nay nay.....about 70 million people did in 2012.

Best guesstimate: About 30 million living qualified actual voters. Okay, 40 millions. Not one million more.
9 posted on 11/19/2014 5:45:40 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: richardb72

Gruber wasn’t stupid. He knew the damage this legislation would do. He considers all those things as collateral damage justifiable on the basis of income transfer and equalization of healthcare.


10 posted on 11/19/2014 6:00:15 PM PST by DugwayDuke (Principles without power aren't worth spit.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

That is so sweet! What were the responses?


11 posted on 11/19/2014 6:26:59 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Mr. K

I’m sorry you people have it all wrong...
Just rename Obamacare..... GRUBERCARE!

That will get some attention.
END OF STORY.


12 posted on 11/19/2014 6:30:33 PM PST by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: Mr. K

I’m sorry you people have it all wrong...
Just rename Obamacare..... GRUBERCARE!

That will get some attention.
END OF STORY.


13 posted on 11/19/2014 6:37:21 PM PST by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Well, one of them gets it.

I can’t believe any of them would actually admit to being fooled and used. It must’ve been a Freeper going there to post the truth the others were afraid to say.


14 posted on 11/19/2014 6:50:09 PM PST by yorkiemom
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To: richardb72

I hate the law as much as the next person. I want it repealed 5 years ago.

But, to me, the most disturbing thing about this is what he said about Kennedy and how he figured out a way to steal all the money from Medicare. Yet, Republicans are always the ones painted that they want to take it away from everyone. And yet, no one cares. O’care does the same thing to help offset costs, but no one cares. People really are stupid.

Once heard a story that if SocSec were its own separate entity and not part of the general fund, that it would be solvent, or at least more stable than it is now. I can’t imagine it being all the stable no matter what, given the strain of all the phony disabled and illegals on it. Anyone shed some light on that?


15 posted on 11/19/2014 6:50:59 PM PST by qaz123
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The fundamental problem with SocSec and Medicare is that they always have been transfer programs not investment programs that accrue returns for the working life of the beneficiary.

It’s like you retire tomorrow and some person still in the workforce has to start sending you a pension payment each month.


16 posted on 11/19/2014 6:56:12 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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I just looked up an article that I remember reading about how Chile privatized their whole system. Most of them good. Of course, the liberal outlets said it was all the articles touting the system were wrong, however, most of them were at least a few years back.

Some some others that weren’t as old, advocating that it’s something that needs to be looked at.

Unfortunately, even when we think we’re sending the best/brightest to DC, they act like kids in the candy store with no accountability.


17 posted on 11/19/2014 7:04:41 PM PST by qaz123
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“Once heard a story that if SocSec were its own separate entity and not part of the general fund, that it would be solvent, or at least more stable than it is now. I can’t imagine it being all the stable no matter what, given the strain of all the phony disabled and illegals on it. Anyone shed some light on that?”

I’m guessing that if all my contributions were invested -wisely -and not touched, there would be enough money to pay my SS when I retire. And there would be enough extra to cover those that never paid in much (illegals, disabled, housewives).

But the money I paid in was spent as soon as I made it. It’s all gone. No lockbox -remember the Al Gore parody?


18 posted on 11/19/2014 8:01:14 PM PST by yorkiemom
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Stupidity Reconsidered: Election Proved Americans Aren't Fooled by Gruber and Obama

Dr. Ben Carson | Nov 19, 2014

http://townhall.com/columnists/drbencarson/2014/11/19/stupidity-reconsidered-election-proved-americans-arent-fooled-by-gruber-and-obama-n1920600

”What is truly disturbing is the fact that our government is willing to engage in the purposeful deception of the populace in order to thrust its secretive agenda onto an unsuspecting populace and a sycophantic mainstream media. As I have said many times before, Obamacare was never about health care; it was about government control and wealth redistribution.” (Ben Carson)

Not a single Republican senator or Congressman voted in favor of that monstrosity called Obamacare. It must be make perfectly clear that democrat Phd com man Gruber, called stupid not all the American voters, but just the democrat voters that put the “Liar in Chief” in the White House, in spite of his Marxist anti-American back ground, and all the Democrats legislators co-conspirators with the president and the MSM in the greatest deception against the American people in the history of the United States.

Obamacare Architect/ Non-Staff Member Visited The White House Quite A Bit

Matt Vespa | Nov 19, 2014

“Mr. Gruber went to the White House at least six times in 2009, according to a review of visitor logs. He met with the president on July 20, 2009, and was joined by other economists. Some of the other meetings were held with Jeanne Lambrew, deputy assistant to the president for health policy, and Peter Orszag, former director of the Office of Management and Budget.

Mr. Gruber visited the White House at least twice in 2010 and met with Jason Furman, who is now chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers. Mr. Gruber meet with Ms. Lambrew at least twice this year and was at the White House as recently as June, the records show. For five of the meetings, visitor records don’t show when Mr. Gruber arrived or departed, making it unclear whether the appointments were kept.

Mr. Gruber wrote a 2011 cartoon book called “Health Care Reform” that aimed to explain the federal law. A note about the author says Mr. Gruber “consulted extensively with the Obama administration and Congress during the development” of the law.”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2014/11/19/obamacare-architect-nonstaff-member-visited-the-white-house-quite-a-bit-n1920697

According to Obama, the MTI professor, a frequent visitor to the White House, was just a ”random” adviser. For his “invaluable advise and services” to the Obama administration professor Gruber received over 5.9 million dollars... Stupidity and corruption to the nth power.

19 posted on 11/20/2014 6:10:41 AM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo)
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