Obama Puts The Republic Out Of Its Misery

All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress – unless the President says otherwise.

“This is how democracy works,” Barack Obama lectured the country before giving everyone the specifics of his expansive one-man executive overreach on immigration. If you enjoy straw men but are turned off by open debate and constitutional order, this speech was for you.

Obama acknowledges his overreach openly every time he argues that he intends to do the job of an obstinate Republican congress. In his speech, Obama scolded those who question whether he has the authority to change the legal status of millions of people, offering this: “I have one answer: Pass a bill.”

1) Congress has no obligation to pass a bill. Ever. Who knows? Maybe immigration ranks 50th on the GOP’s to-do list. Maybe the GOP is dysfunctional and incapable of pulling together comprehensive legislation. Maybe the Republicans are nothing more than irrational nativists. And maybe all of that threatens the GOP’s future. That’s why we have elections for presidents to ignore.

2) If Congress passed a bill, Obama would veto it, anyway. So what Obama meant to say was, “I have one answer: Pass a bill I like.” No bill will pass, especially after this cynical ploy to prod clumsy GOPers into reactions that might benefit him politically.

No, the president didn’t kill the process all by himself. Bush did it! Reagan did it! True or not, twenty years from now, the minions of some Republican Napoleon will be screaming ‘Obama did it!’ And they’ll have a sad story or a chilling warning that will justify why it’s ok. Because all legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States – unless the president says it’s super important. Then anything goes.

If you’re not up to a fight, then get the f**k out of the way.

If you're so deluded to think that we can long survive as a people while these demonic Democrats infest our land, then you need to ride your unicorn off into the happy post-Convention future where you can all play with Puff the Magic Dragon. You can change the name of your country to Honalee.

Will that work our for you, excrement?

You're a miserable coward, because like every faux Pubbie I've ever known you lack the balls to admit the harsh reality that we either secede from this gutter Union with the Rats or perish as self-respecting and free human beings.

It's over. Got it? No, apparently not.

Had you half a brain (which you obviously haven't) then last night's Imperial Decree should have disabused you of any notion of a Constitutional remedy when over half the population of the former United States voted for Zero twice in a row.

There's no way this is gonna end nice. The Constitution is a dead letter. We fight or we allow ourselves to be enslaved.

If you're not able to embrace reality, kindly go pi$$ up a rope and stay clear of real Americans.

This Navy vet was not descended from timid men.

The Framers gave us peaceful means to restore freedom. It is time to use it

Respectfully, what you're missing is that the Framers explicitly predicated the entire enterprise on the American people being a self-reliant and moral people.

Quite clearly, the entire political process is based on the mutual trust that arises from a people united by deeply-held common (Christian) values. But that's not the case now. The American people, over half of them, have been corrupted beyond recall. They voted for Obama twice. The basic trust that we had for each other that sustained us since the Revolution is gone. Our hearts are no longer united. A Democrat is far more foreign to me than, say, a devout Brazilian Catholic. I have nothing in common with sodomy triumphant. Neither did the Framers.

So, the Constitution is a dead letter because the assumption underpinning it - namely, that a large majority of the citizens participating in the political process are basically decent and honorable - no longer holds. This is clear.

Therefore, an Article V Convention would only be rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. This American Ship of State slammed into an iceberg in the '60s. Despite the heroic efforts by many good people since then, it's time to admit that it's going down to the bottom and we need to man the lifeboats and save what we can.

We must secede from the union. All of our efforts must be aimed at that.

Secession now.

Ping to XEHRpa. Your thoughts reflected mine, until I started reading of the 1776-1787 era. (Gordon S. Wood's 1969 book, The Creation of the American Republic, 1776-1787.) It was a complex time, which is why you read so very little of it at FR or anywhere else. Yes, radical Whig ideology centered on the necessity of virtuous people in republics. In straightforward city-states, as in ancient Greece, in which the people were the only participants, then yes, a cohesive and virtuous people had to be had.

The new American republics relied on a virtuous citizenry. While they were not quite constituted on the ancient city-state model, they were close.

Each new republic was dominated by the legislature. Most were bicameral, but PA and GA were single house. The governors and judiciary were kept week and totally dependent on the legislatures.

These new democratic republics were very close to democracies, i.e. annual elections, majority rule without protections for the property of the minority. During the war, it gave rise to paper money, legislative override of judicial decisions, screwing of creditors, and general mutability of the law. It was thought that state governments would improve after the war, but they didn't.

By 1787 it was clear the thirteen experiments in republicanism were failing, that it was chimera to rely on the good nature of a moral and virtuous people. What passed for government under the Articles of Confederation was dissolving. European monarchs watched the US and were certain they could pick us apart as we flailed about.

The purpose of government, as stated in our Declaration, to secure our unalienable rights, wasn't happening. It was time to frame a government that did.

Reliance on decent and moral people is not the underpinning of our constitution. The constitution's underpinning was separation of power, and the first and most important separation was between the new government and the states that created it. A senate of the states made the government federal, and divided the all important legislative power between the people and the states.

The 17th made rendered our government democratic, just like the first new American republics of 1776. We are headed for the same result.

In addition to Wood, Federalist #1 presents the problems that the constitution was designed to solve.

You make some excellent points, thank you. Ultimately, however, any system can work only to the extent that people are basically law-abiding. The situation we have now is where a little over one half the voting population, the Democrats, ignore the Constitution whenever it suits them. Underlying it all is a general respect for the rule of law. That is what we no longer have, and that is why an Article V Convention would result only in writing new Constitutional provisions the Democrats wouldn't respect.

The only choice we have, therefore, is outside a Constitutional framework. We must rid ourselves of the Democrats physically. They must be removed from the areas left to our control, the so-called Red counties. We must be prepared to abandon the Blue areas. Once we have removed them from our presence we can talk about new Constitutional provisions that will prevent the formation of another parasitic Liberal majority that will attempt to enslave us. As people who respect the law, we will abide by it. But until we're physically free of the Democrats and have a territory of our own it makes no sense at all, since we'd only be passing more basic law that the lawless, parasitic 51% will ignore at will.

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