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NEW DECEPTION: Gruber cited increases; candidate Obama vowed savings (Gruber got $200K)
washingtontimes.com ^ | 11/24/14

Posted on 11/25/2014 3:25:56 AM PST by Liz

(Gruber) Predicted massive health insurance cost increases for Wisconsin residents....as candidate Obama campaigned for reelection on a promise that his plan would lower premiums.

The 2011 Gruber study was largely ignored by candidate Obama: “So when you hear about Obamacare — I don’t mind the name because I really do care.” the president declared in Cincinnati July 2011. "Once we've fully implemented ACA, you’re going to be able to buy insurance through a pool so that you can get the same good rates as a group that if you’re an employee at a big company you can get right now — which means your premiums will go down.”

The contrast between the Obama’s optimistic rhetoric and Gruber’s private warnings is certain to attract new attention from the Republican-led Congress, which wants to know whether there was an effort by the administration to deceive the public about the true consequences of the law as Mr. Gruber suggested in recent videotapes.

“Overall I think health care reform is a great thing for Wisconsin, ” Gruber said.....then earlier this month, videotapes were leaked where he refers to the “stupidity of the American voter,” saying the lack of transparency of the bill was a “huge political advantage.”

WH House Press Secy Josh Earnest said that Gruber only advised the administration. “....it’s pretty evident from these videos that he doesn’t have nearly as much insight as it relates to politics or communications or legislative strategy,” Mr. Earnest said of Mr. Gruber.

Mr. Gruber received about $400,000 from HHS for his work on health care computer models....as well as 1000's more from other federal agencies. Gruber was a frequent WH guest, meeting with senior officials some 19 more times, and the president himself, visitor logs show.

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1 posted on 11/25/2014 3:25:56 AM PST by Liz
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To: All

This POS govt fraudster isn't off the hook until WE'RE FRICKIN' READY.

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LET'S CONNECT THE DOTS---The salient point is this: Gruber acting as an independent researcher is one thing--- but Gruber consorting w/ many people in govt figuring out ways to lie in order to dupe the tax-paying public is a CONSPIRACY.

POINTS TO PONDER:

<><> (1) WH sign-in sheets show Gruber went there at least nineteen times.

<><>(2) Gruber, himself, talked about Obama being in the room when the Cadillac tax was invented.

<><> (3) Based on his Obamacare experiences, Gruber took tax dollars from several states to set up Obamacare exchanges....and earned millions of dollars doing so.

<><>(4) Nancy Pelosi is caught on-tape citing Gruber as a reliable source.

<><> (5) Gruber was there when Hillarycare was developed.

<><>(6) Another Gruber confession involved a conspiracy w/ Teddy Kennedy--- outright govt fraud by manipulating Medicare for some $500 million to secretly finance Romneycare.

<><>(7) A former adviser to then-HHS Secy Kathleen Sebelius told the NYT Gruber was on-board whie the govt was formulating the plan.

<><> (8) According BarackObama.com 2012, President Obama's official website, Jon Gruber "helped write Obamacare....w/ specific quotes from Obama tying Mitt Romney to ObamaCare...saying that "RomneyCare" was the model for Obamacare.

<><> (9) The Congressional Budget Office Effectively Used Gruber’s Model to Score Obamacare.

<><> (10) Harry Reid in the well of the US senate called Gruber "the most trusted economist in the world."

In sum, the makings of a conpiracy are well-documented---Gruber had influence over the CBO, the White House, and Congress alike. It's hard to overestimate his importance; Gruber's role was central to the efforts of President Obama and his Democratic allies to shove Obamacare down an unwilling citizenry’s throat.

2 posted on 11/25/2014 3:27:26 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

WHY the HELL did he get millions from the “JUST US” Dept??? and the State DEPT paid him also....WHY??


3 posted on 11/25/2014 3:33:39 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Liz

He was a key player. Brought in for his willingness to serve the cause.

Without him, we may not have anything close to what the ACA is now. Man what a contradiction. Affordable? HAH!

Not having any choices is ANTI AMERICAN. Have two CHOICES (and one medical savings account) at my job, and all the way worse ones on the exchanges! All three are about 10x more than what I would have paid in a free private sector health insurance industry. I can not afford health care. Thanks Obama.

My girl has cysts on her ovaries. The insurance she has will not allow her to see any other doctors, unless she gets permission from these wacko liberal uncaring doctors she is forced to see. Dime sized, benign. The doctor said. I shit you not: “these cysts do not require any attention, unless they get bigger” and put her on birth control (which turned out....MADE HER SYMPTOMS WORSE AND IS DOCUMENTED). She has been on her cycle(bleeding) for about....a month now, frequent debilitating cramps, vomiting, feinting from pain. They will not even give her an 800mg IB-Profen(take a pain pill) sound familiar?

I HATE OBAMA. To his very core, and I would not shed a tear or feel compassion for him at all if something horrible happened to him.


4 posted on 11/25/2014 3:37:27 AM PST by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Liz

These two lying POS fraudsters, Gruber and Obama, are getting rich off honest Americans.

Since the passage of ObamaCare, my healthcare premiums have doubled.

Meanwhile, Gruber accumulates milions and Obama jets around the world talking sh*t and having a ball at taxpayer expense.


5 posted on 11/25/2014 3:37:42 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Liz

6 posted on 11/25/2014 3:41:07 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: Ann Archy

Records show Gruber earned the DOJ fee for helping to develop viable incentives to be extended to the tobacco companies in order to dissuade them from targeting teen smokers.

Similarly, Gruber collected $103,500 from the State Department for his services as an expert witness, providing testimony in a NAFTA dispute with a Canadian tobacco firm.


7 posted on 11/25/2014 3:44:44 AM PST by Liz
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To: Jack Hammer
Are you saying the President lied????

I am shocked!

8 posted on 11/25/2014 3:44:53 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Gold and Silver, Accept No Substitutes)
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To: cripplecreek

At midterms some 28-29 Democrats who voted for Obamacare got ousted.


9 posted on 11/25/2014 3:46:45 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

Yet the top 3 are still there.


10 posted on 11/25/2014 3:49:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: All
One can only imagine the derision and deprecation of Americans in the halls of Congress, and in the WH, as Gruber reprised his "stupid Americans" act to an appreciative audience of lock-stepping Democrats. Gruber took his "stupid Americans" act nationwide---paid millions of tax dollars to peddle his Progressive poison allover our country.

LETS STROLL DOWN MEMORY LANE As far back as 2008, at the presidential debate in Nashville, Democrat candidate Obama advanced his signature plan that was ultimately enacted (by an historic straight Democrat party-line vote) into the "Affordable Care Act:"

QUOTING OBAMA: "No. 1, let me just repeat, if you’ve got a health care plan that you like, you can keep it. All I’m going to do is help you to lower the premiums on it. You’ll still have choice of doctor.”

Repeated over and over by every loyal Democrat---- conning Americans into believing they'd also be saving $2500.00 on healthcare costs.

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LOCK-STEPPING DEMOCRAT PARTY LOYALTY NOT SEEN SINCE 1930-40's ERA EUROPE.

SEN. HARRY REID (D-Nev.): “In fact, one of our core principles is that if you like the health care you have, you can keep it.” (Sen. Reid, Congressional Record, S.8642, 8/3/09)

SEN. RICHARD DURBIN: “We believe — and we stand by this — if you like your current health insurance plan, you will be able to keep it, plain and simple, straightforward.” (Sen. Durbin, Congressional Record, S.6401, 6/10/09)

SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY): “If you like your insurance, you keep it.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/29/09)

SEN. PATTY MURRAY (D-Wash.): “Again, if you like what you have, you will be able to keep it. Let me say this again: If you like what you have, when our legislation is passed and signed by the President, you will be able to keep it.” (Sen. Murray, Congressional Record, S.6400, 6/10/09)

SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-Mont.): “That is why one of the central promises of health care reform has been and is: If you like what you have, you can keep it. That is critically important. If a person has a plan, and he or she likes it, he or she can keep it.” (Sen. Baucus, Congressional Record, S.7676, 9/29/10)

SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-Iowa): “One of the things we put in the health care bill when we designed it was the protection for consumers to keep the plan they have if they like it; thus, the term ‘grandfathered plans.’ If you have a plan you like — existing policies — you can keep them. … we said, if you like a plan, you get to keep it, and you can grandfather it in.” (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.7675-6, 9/29/10)

THEN-REP. TAMMY BALDWIN (D-Wis.): “Under the bill, if you like the insurance you have now, you may keep it and it will improve.” (Rep. Baldwin, Press Release, 3/18/10)

SEN. MARK BEGICH (D-Alaska): “If you got a doctor now, you got a medical professional you want, you get to keep that. If you have an insurance program or a health care policy you want of ideas, make sure you keep it. That you can keep who you want.” (Sen. Begich, Townhall Event, 7/27/09)

SEN. MICHAEL BENNET (D-Colo.): “We should begin with a basic principle: if you have coverage and you like it, you can keep it. If you have your doctor, and you like him or her, you should be able to keep them as well. We will not take that choice away from you.” (Sen. Bennet, Press Release, 6/11/09)

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D-Calif.): “So we Democrats want people to be able to keep the health care they have. And the answer to that is choice of plans. And in the exchange, we’re going to have lots of different plans, and people will be able to keep the health care coverage they need and they want.” (Sen. Boxer, Press Release, 2/8/11)

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D-Ohio): “Our Democrat bill says if you have health insurance and you like it, you can keep it…”(Sen. Brown, Congressional Record, S.12612, 12/7/09)

SEN. BEN CARDIN (D-Md.): “For the people of Maryland, this bill will provide a rational way in which they can maintain their existing coverage…” (Sen. Cardin, Congressional Record, S.13798, 12/23/09)

SEN. BOB CASEY (D-Pa.): “I also believe this Democrat legislation and the bill we are going to send to President Obama this fall will also have secure choices. If you like what you have, you like the plan you have, you can keep it. It is not going to change.” (Sen. Casey, Congressional Record, S.8070, 7/24/09)

SEN. KAY HAGAN (D-N.C.): ‘People who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it’ “We need to support the private insurance industry so that people who have insurance they’re happy with can keep it while also providing a backstop option for people without access to affordable coverage.” (“Republicans Vent As Other Compromise Plans Get Aired,” National Journal’s Congress Daily, 6/18/09)

SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-La.): “If you like the insurance that you have, you’ll be able to keep it.” (MSNBC’s Hardball, 12/16/09)

SEN. PAT LEAHY (D-Vt.): “[I]f you like the insurance you now have, keep the insurance you have.” (CNN’s “Newsroom,” 10/22/09)

SEN. BOB MENENDEZ (D-N.J.): “If you like what you have, you get to keep it” “Menendez is a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which is expected to release a bill later this week. He stressed that consumers who are satisfied with their plans won’t have to change. ‘If you like what you have, you get to keep it,’ he said.” (“Health Care Plan Would Help N.J., Menendez Says,” The Record, 6/19/09)

SEN. JEFF MERKLEY (D-Oreg.): “[E]nsuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it” “The HELP Committee bill sets forward a historic Democrat plan that will, for the first time in American history, give every American access to affordable health coverage, reduce costs, and increase choice, while ensuring that those who like their insurance get to keep it.” (Sen. Merkley, Press Release, 7/15/09)

SEN. BARBARA MIKULSKI (D-Md.): “It means that if you like the insurance you have now, you can keep it.” (Sen. Mikulski, Press Release, 12/24/09)

SEN. JAY ROCKEFELLER (D-W.Va.): “I want people to know, the President’s promise that if you like the coverage you have today you can keep it is a pledge we intend to keep.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Hearing, 9/23/09)

SEN. JACK REED (D-R.I.): “If you like the insurance you have, you can choose to keep it.” (Sen. Reed, Town Hall Event, 6/25/09)

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-Vt.): “‘If you have coverage you like, you can keep it,’ says Sen. Sanders.” (“Sick And Wrong,” Rolling Stone, 4/5/10)

SEN. JEANNE SHAHEEN (D-N.H.): ‘if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it’ “My understanding … is that … if you have health coverage that you like you can keep it. As I said, you may have missed my remarks at the beginning of the call, but one of the things I that I said as a requirement that I have for supporting a Democrat bill is that if you have health coverage that you like you should be able to keep that. …under every scenario that I’ve seen, if you have health coverage that you like, you get to keep it.” (Sen. Shaheen, “Health Care Questions From Across New Hampshire,” Accessed 11/13/13)

SEN. DEBBIE STABENOW (D-Mich.): “As someone who has a large number of large employers in my state, one of the things I appreciate about the Democrat chairman’s remark is — is the grandfathering provisions, the fact that the people in my state, 60 percent of whom have insurance, are going to be able to keep it. And Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. That’s a strong commitment. It’s clear in the bill … I appreciate the strong commitment on your part and the president to make sure that if you have your insurance you can keep it. That’s the bottom line for me.” (U.S. Senate, Finance Committee, Bill Mark-Up, 9/24/09)

SEN. JON TESTER (D-Mont.): “‘If you like your coverage, you’ll be able to keep it,’ Tester said, adding that if Medicare changes, it will only become stronger”. (“Tester In Baker To Discuss Health Care,” The Fallon County Times, 11/20/09)

SEN. TOM UDALL (D-N.Mex.): “Some worried reform would alter their current coverage. It won’t. If you like your current plan, you can keep it.” (“What I Learned: About Health Care Reform This Summer, By Your Lawmakers In Congress,” Albuquerque Journal, 9/8/09)

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-R.I.): “..it honors President Obama’s programs and the promise of all of the Presidential candidates that if you like the plan you have, you get to keep it. You are not forced out of anything.” (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.8668, 8/3/09)

Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) the 60th vote on Obamacare: "people who are happy with their current plan, wouldn't need to change it."
FRANKEN YOUTUBE SOUND BITE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZmAYYNz8I

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CUE THE SCHADENFREUD METER Twenty-nine Democrats who voted for Obamacare (soon to include Landrieu) were ousted in the midterm Democrat Demolition Derby.

11 posted on 11/25/2014 3:49:26 AM PST by Liz
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To: FreedomStar3028
Gruber was a key player. Brought in for his willingness to serve the cause.

Clearly---Gruber was handed the Marxist dream plan FIRST. Then Obama bribed money-hungry Gruber w/ $400,000 hefty tax dollars to invent a healthcare model that he, and lock-stepping Dems, could sell to gullible Americans.

PROGRESSIVE POISON The so-called "Cadillac tax" was part of the Obama/Gruber conspiracy designed: (1) to destroy wealthy insurance companies......targets of Progressive virulent hatred, and, (2) to deny end-of-life care to the elderly....deplored by Progressive Poisoners in our midst.

Other Progressive Poisons: healthcare rationing, pulling $750 million out of Medicare, death panels....... and the Marxist Dream Triumphant: decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth (a longtime Progressive bugaboo); grandma/pa's holdings go to the govt---not to you.

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Gruber delivered Progressive Poison in spades: The preening, duplicitous Gruber---the embodiment of cockamamie far-left thinking---believed it was his moral duty to lie, deceive and collude w/ the US govt......so that these revolting ideas could be imposed on "sub-mental defectives' taking up valuable space in their Utopian America.

Loyal foot-soldier Gruber, in obeisance to the Marxist dream, invented mechanisms to serve Obama's Marxist obsession w/ wealth transfer---as candidate Obama told Joe the Plumber---his plan was to redistribute the wealth:

(1) throwing Americans off affordable health plans
while assuring them they could "keep their plans,"

(2) nationalizing 1/6 of the US economy,

3) installing IPAB's (healthcare rationing),

(4) decimating intergenerational transfers of wealth a longtime Progressive bugaboo;
via Obamacare, grandma/pa's holdings go to the govt---not to you,

(5) pulling $750 billion out of Medicare (another Progressive irritant---giving the elderly healthcare),

(6) drug-rationing---death panels,

(8) outright abandoning seniors and the chronically ill,

(9) transferring wealth from healthy young Americans to subsidize healthcare for others.

Obama organized Democrats into a lock-stepping cheerleading squad to force the Progressive Poison down the throats of recalcitrant Americans.

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Vladimir Lenin / 1945 pamphlet

“Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.”

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NOTE The fraudulent methods used to package Obamacare are a clue as to how Obama was packaged as a candidate----except his handlers effectively papered-over his Progressive Poison. Poison he administered to horrified Americans when they were lulled into complacency.....congratulating themselves for being so great a country---they could elect a black man to high office.

12 posted on 11/25/2014 3:56:06 AM PST by Liz
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I’m only shocked if he tells the truth.

I’m still waiting for it.


13 posted on 11/25/2014 3:57:42 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Liz

OMG!! Thanks.


14 posted on 11/25/2014 3:57:45 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy
Actually, the payouts are only what they allow us to know...paltry sums compared to the billions hidden in Obamacare.

Even more disturbing is the massive, multi-billion-dollar slush fund the self-serving Gruber hid from "stupid" Americans in Obamacare. Gruber made dam sure it was kept hidden from us stupid taxpayers.

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The Untraceable $8 Billion ObamaCare PR Budget---truly govt fraud at its finest. Egged on by Pelosi, Democrats slavishly voted for Obamacare by an historic straignt-party line vote. But not one Democrat told Americans about Obamacare's Section 4002---which mandates an $8B untraceable fund to "promote" Obamacare (apparently b/c Boobamba had so little confidence in his signature legislation).

THE PAYOFF--WHO GETS THE MONEY? In 2010 Taxpayers are extorted $500 million, in 2011, $750 million, 2012, $1 billion, 2013, $1.25 billion, 2014, $1.5 billion, and, in 2015 and on, $2 billion

<><> Where is all that money going?

<><> Was cashing-in the incentive in getting the thing passed.

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Taxpayers demand to know ---- why Gruber/Obama/Pelosi didnt reveal that Obamacare contains a multi-billion dollar slush fund? Exactly who is cashing in?

The sound of West Wing wire-transfers to offshore banks is almost palpable.

15 posted on 11/25/2014 4:02:40 AM PST by Liz
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To: Jack Hammer

Don’t hold your breath.


16 posted on 11/25/2014 4:32:40 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Gold and Silver, Accept No Substitutes)
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To: Liz

The Game: ‘Obamacare’, short con, origin, circa 15th century, Three Card Monte (or ‘Find the lady’) or ‘shell game’
The Mark: eventually, the taxpayers; immediately, the gullible half of the American public [SEE: Ferguson, MO]
The Shill: Gruber, achieves confidence of Mark, but works with con man
You and me, just walking by: “Don’t want to play? You still pay ...” IRS thumb breakers


17 posted on 11/25/2014 4:46:36 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Liz

This must be part of Obama’s Cloward-Piven strategy.

Overload us with his lies.

I’m surprised someone hasn’t developed an app “Track Obama Lies”.

He lies about everything.
Then he lies about his lies.
Then he lies about lying about his lies.

If he has a choice of being honest or deceitful he always chooses the low road.

Obama tells so many lies that our ability to cope is challenged.

We can’t keep track of his many lies and so much deceit without a computer.


18 posted on 11/25/2014 5:12:25 AM PST by Iron Munro (Obama "I stand with the 2/3 who were too lazy, disinterested, stupid or dead to vote")
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To: Liz

Who’s cashing in?? Obama and his supporters!!! TREY GOWDY ir Chavetz needs to be looking into exactly what you said!!


19 posted on 11/25/2014 5:19:33 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Liz
Mr. Gruber’s study predicted about 90 percent of individuals without employer-sponsored or public insurance would see their premiums spike by an average of 41 percent.

They ought to be able to make hay with this at the hearings. Ask Gruber if Obama knew about the WI analysis. If not, why not? If so, why did Obama lie about premium savings?

20 posted on 11/25/2014 5:30:17 AM PST by randita (Obama entrusted the transformation of the best healthcare system in the world to a scam artist.)
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