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To: FreeReign

Dietl tells us to watch the video. I’ve seen it many times. It was , in fact a chokehold, based on the fact that, unless Garneer was thinking many steps ahead and was lying, Garner said HE COULDN’T BREATH. That is what happens when you are being choked. Hence, a ‘choke hold’. Nothing any of the other officers were doing caused him not to be able to breathe.

These are questions of fact that should’ve been decided by a trial and jury.

The cynic in me thinks Obama and Holder somehow (hey, they got Roberts to behave as though he never read the Constitution) manipulated this decision to keep their race narrative alive.


14 posted on 12/06/2014 12:47:52 PM PST by bramps (Go West America!)
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To: bramps
Garner said HE COULDN’T BREATH.

He was breathing. He was having a hard time breathing.

And of course there are many reasons why a strggling, aggravated, 400 pound asthmatic laying on the ground would have a hard time breathing.

33 posted on 12/06/2014 1:09:37 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: bramps

He was breathing when the ambulance took off with him.

At the worst, I would say the exertion and shortage of ‘oxygen’ led to a stroke.

Blaming it just on the ‘choke hold’ is ignoring all the other factors. For all we know, he could have had a stroke even if the officer never put the ‘hold’ around his neck.

Diabetes, asthma, heart disease, obesity, he’d just been involved in a physical struggle (supposedly he broke up a fight), then his pulse and everything else rose as he argued with police.

IF the officer had used a taser , as many have suggested, it probably would have caused him to have cardiac arrest, given his condition.

In other words, the officer couldn’t win no matter what he did (other than just letting Garner walk).

The black female officer, who like the other officers, knew Garner WELL, could have interrupted and told the officers to give Garner his ‘inhaler’ (everyone keeps ignoring this part of the incident, and I don’t know why. Don’t all asthmatics carry an inhaler ?).

She didn’t but the media won’t touch that with a ten foot pole. Perhaps he doesn’t carry one, I don’t know.

All I know is that when an asthmatic gets exerted, they can’t breath. If they don’t open up their airways, the brain is starved of oxygen. At some point, it quits telling the heart to pump. This matches the timeline and video/descriptions of the Garner incident.

He was unresponsive yet still breathing, very shallow. He was likely unconscious. The body was trying to speed blood from other parts to the brain, in an attempt to get oxygen, further straining the heart. After he got into the ambulance it was too late.

Were they giving him oxy in the ambulance ? Did they try to revive his heart with a defibrillator ? Details we don’t know (or at least I don’t).


71 posted on 12/06/2014 1:41:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: bramps

Not a choke hold at all.

The fat slob couldn’t breath due to his obesity and his Asthmatic condition.

Thechoke technique that is unique and easy to identify, it was not used.


92 posted on 12/06/2014 2:32:39 PM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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To: bramps

Or, you can’t breathe because you are panicking about going to jail, since you are on probation. Or, your chronic asthma is kicking in because you are exerting yourself, who happens to be morbidly obese. Or, you are saying you can’t breathe just to get the cop off of you.

It took 3 seconds for the cops to get off of him when he said he couldn’t breathe.


109 posted on 12/06/2014 3:51:06 PM PST by SpirituTuo
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To: bramps
Garner said HE COULDN’T BREATH. That is what happens when you are being choked.

In order to speak, one needs to pass air through their wind pipe. If he is speaking, air is moving through his wind pipe. Therefore, it's not a choke hold. It is a headlock.

147 posted on 12/06/2014 7:07:17 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (antine)
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To: bramps

Uh no. If someone has you in choke hold you can’t say ANYTHING.
what Garner had was “ air hunger” a sensation of lack of air. The fact that he was speaking clearly proves his airway was not obstructed. With his morbid obesity, hypertension and asthma laying him prone would be enough to have him feel like he couldn’t breathe.


159 posted on 12/07/2014 2:05:49 AM PST by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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