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Dramatic drop in gas prices doesn’t carry over to diesel
Dallas Morning News ^ | : 10 December 2014 | JAMES OSBORNE

Posted on 12/11/2014 6:17:48 AM PST by thackney

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To: thackney

True. It doesn’t seem to have helped very much, but maybe in the long term it will. There seem to be more diesel cars and PU trucks on the road now than there were a few years ago too.


21 posted on 12/11/2014 7:24:34 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: thackney

Gasoline hasn’t really fallen much where I live.


22 posted on 12/11/2014 7:28:25 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: thackney

You are getting more BTU/gal with diesel (13% or thereabouts), so from that standpoint a higher price has some merit, at least for that increment.


23 posted on 12/11/2014 7:30:16 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: EternalVigilance

GasBuddy says to head to Missouri, Oklahoma, or Texas.


24 posted on 12/11/2014 7:31:37 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: thackney
You are assuming an equal treatment between different fuels. That is not reality. Gasoline is taxed less than diesel, while CNG/LNG receives no excise tax at all.

While mostly true, there are a few details needed for context.

According to the American Petroleum institute, the sum of all local, state and and federal taxes (US average) is about 55 for diesel and 48 for gasoline. However, the energy density for diesel is also higher (35.8 MJ/L for diesel vs 32.4 for gasoline). The tax differential is very similar and comes close to normalizing along energy density (rough substitute for fuel efficiency).

However, the EPA's emissions requirements are not based on mileage. As such there is a regulatory favoritism towards gasoline. By basing all emissions requirements on actual mileage, this favoritism would be removed.

Side note, some states do have an alternative fuel tax on CNG/LNG and even propane vehicles so there are situations where there is some tax, but not like the federal excise tax on diesel/gasoline.

25 posted on 12/11/2014 7:33:56 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Cowboy Bob

Heating oil is basically diesel. At this time of year it would seem the demand is not nearly so elastic as that for gasoline.


26 posted on 12/11/2014 7:35:19 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: EternalVigilance
Really? Where is that?


27 posted on 12/11/2014 7:37:12 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: taxcontrol

I do know the US EPA is very anti-diesel.
All their regulations in the last 10 years have reflected that.

In Europe, about half of new car sales are diesel.


28 posted on 12/11/2014 7:39:00 AM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, Convict, Deport)
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To: taxcontrol
The tax differential is very similar and comes close to normalizing along energy density (rough substitute for fuel efficiency).

As such there is a regulatory favoritism towards gasoline.

Those statements seem to conflict with each other.

By basing all emissions requirements on actual mileage

I see the implementation of such putting government far deeper into our business than desired. I would not support it. Are you also recommending a mileage tax biased with vehicle weight, efficiency, trailers, etc? This tends to get factored in with fuel consumption.

29 posted on 12/11/2014 7:41:02 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

NW Iowa. Still at $2.49 as of yesterday.


30 posted on 12/11/2014 7:42:39 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Red Badger

There is a supply and demand element to everything in a free market. We pay at least a dime more for gasoline in my county ecsuse of the Canadian market even though there we two refineries here and our gasoline is delivered to stations by trucks, it never enters the pipeline.

Prices are somewhat controlled by the company that controls the pipeline, usually the largest company in the region.


31 posted on 12/11/2014 7:44:10 AM PST by Eva
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To: nascarnation

And the illogical part is that today’s diesel engines are within a few percentage points of the efficiency of high efficiency fuel cells.


32 posted on 12/11/2014 7:44:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: thackney

It was like a buck eighty when Obama took office.


33 posted on 12/11/2014 7:45:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

And was it $2.49 at the end of June?


34 posted on 12/11/2014 7:46:00 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

No. But it wasn’t appreciably more than that.


35 posted on 12/11/2014 7:47:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

And what was it half a year before that?

Comparing to a short term bottom dip is no more honest that comparing to the top of short peak.


36 posted on 12/11/2014 7:47:25 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: EternalVigilance
But it wasn’t appreciably more than that.

Then you must have found the cheapest gasoline in the entire nation back in June, when Iowa was averaging $3.60 a gallon.

37 posted on 12/11/2014 7:48:35 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Average price nationally is about fifty cents lower than a year ago. That just doesn’t seem like a huge amount to me, personally.

Of course, I’m hopeful it drops a whole lot more.


38 posted on 12/11/2014 7:50:12 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: SES1066

I bought diesel yesterday for $3.25 at Willco on the Interstate. Across the street at Pilot it was $3.26

I expect the same was $3.15 or $3.20 at Murphy(walmart) or 3.10 at Murphy (Sams). I filled up not long ago at Sams for $3.05

Those prices are down from just shy of $4.00 in early ‘14 as I recall


39 posted on 12/11/2014 7:52:56 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: EternalVigilance
I guess you can cherry-pick a single point for comparison to claim any data you want.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

40 posted on 12/11/2014 7:59:15 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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