Posted on 12/27/2014 6:33:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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I was thinking of the Warsaw Ghetto. There a small number of Jews tied up 36 German officers and 2,054 men. It is estimated that 300 German soldiers were killed.
The men in these Japanese camps were so brutalized, I am surprised that they just didn’t turn on their captors and attempt to exterminate as many Japanese as possible.
I’m reading the book and just got to chapter 34. I saw Franklin Graham on Greta last night and got the impression that the movie ends when he comes home. Graham said that there’s a documentary that covers his conversion, work with Billy Graham and then his work with troubled youth. That’s the movie I want to see.
[[Too much was devoted to the tedious time in the life boat after their B-24 crashes at sea (why was there no emergency radio provided?)]]
I don’t know, maybe for the same reason that decent, working engines weren’t provided? I’m thinking that WWII-era radios were large and clunky, and that equipping every liferaft with one might have been prohibitive with respect to cost and weight.
Anyway, here is the operator’s manual for a B24. I didn’t see anything about an emergency radio in it.
[[During the opening ceremony, Zamperini and a Japanese athlete were shown nodding at each other. The Japanese athlete was the prison camp tormentor, Mutsuhiro “The Bird” Watanabe! What? Later in the prison camp, out trots “The Bird” and nothing is made about the Olympics encounter.]]
Watanabe didn’t compete in the 1936 Olympics and the actor that played the Japanese athlete wasn’t the same actor that played Watanabe. Source: IMDB
Someone else will have to address your questions about the coal operation.
I saw it on Christmas as well. Although Zamperini live an extraordinary life, Angelina missed many opportunities to make the movie live up to those experiences. The movie was a long and some sequences could have been cut after the first showing. Relating more info about Zamperini’s interactions with his fellow POWs would have been helpful and showing more of what the other prisoners went through would have been good. It’s possible that the recounting the POWs true feelings about their captors would not go over well in such a PC world, even though this was during the war and we did hate the enemy.
The abuse depicted in this movie doesn’t live up to what went on in the PI, it appears. But it is a decent movie. I believe it’s PG-13 so the violence is toned down.
More about liferaft equipment (it WAS an interesting question).
“When Zamperinis B-24 went down in the shark-infested Pacific Ocean, he and two crewmates (pilot Russell Allen Phil Phillips and Francis Mac McNamara) had to survive with only the supplies that had been stashed in the pockets of a pair of small life rafts. It wasnt much. The military would soon add many more pieces of essential equipment to these emergency rafts sun tarpaulin for shade, bailing bucket, mast and sail, sea anchor, sun ointment, first aid kit, puncture plugs, flashlight, fishing tackle, jackknife, scissors, whistle, compass, Gibson Girl radio transmitter, and even religious pamphlets for morale. But Louie, Mac, and Phil would not enjoy the benefits of these future additions. They had no knife, almost no food, and no navigation equipment whatsoever.”
In 2005, I spoke to the gentleman who was a ground crew chief for my late dad’s England-based B-17 bomb group base. He told me two interesting things: 1) That Stalin stopped working on the bomb after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and 2) Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved close to a million Allied lives. I believe him.
I was very surprised to see the lack of emergency preparation for these flight crews. I read that the B-24 Liberator had a center-line ventral catwalk just nine inches wide making it almost impossible for the flight crew and nose gunner to get from the flight deck to the rear when wearing parachutes.
You seem to have a real insight into what went on.
It is curious why Zamperini's B-24 wasn't equipped with such an emergency radio.
I’m learning a lot about this for the first time. A hand-powered, floating survival radio seems like it would be a must-have for water survival. Being that it weighed 33 pounds, I suppose that weight would be a factor. However, those bombers carried way more than that in bomb tonnage.
I would loved to have seen this as a three part miniseries on Television.
Part one His youth and the Olympics.
Part two the war experience up to the liberation of the camps.
Part three post war focusing on his redemption.
But no one asked my opinion.
Having recently read Tears in the Darkness: The Story of the Bataan Death March and Its Aftermath, the portrayal of Japanese cruelty fell utterly short of the horror that these men endured. A PG13 rating is no excuse for downplaying the utter inhumanity of the Japanese POW experience.
The struggles these men faced returning home after experiencing the depths of depravity was the story. Like Ira James, the hero's welcome they received only increased their survivor's guilt and exacerbated their PTSD. Most never recovered. People are not comic book heros and world war is not a black and white battle between good and evil; they are flawed human beings who struggle to make sense of a world gone mad. The most vivid lesson from all the POW accounts that I have read is that many who died simply lost the will to live and those who made it found a reason to live. There were the faintest glimmers of this is the movie, but nothing that a general audience would catch.
The old English teachers adage, "show, don't tell'," was usurped in this movie. It was replaced with, "Please, tell me something!" Ultimately, the movie's problems are more of an indictment of current society 's shallowness than a simple cinematic failure. Our society as a whole is (quasi) illiterate, emotionally dysfunctional and spiritually lost. One could describe the Mona Lisa as a picture of a woman without eyebrows, but is hardly does justice to the topic.
The paltry two-line reference to Louis's faith and his reconciliation with his captors was less than trite. I found the real life footage at the end of the movie to be the best part. Given the man's incredible life story, the shallow treatment of his character and his faith that drove his eventual recovery is inexcusable. I hope you are correct and that many will read the book. Maybe it will prompt some to seek the Truth.
I’m just 4 chapters into reading the book so it’s hard to comment.
Roosevelt and Stalin agreed that Russia would enter the Pacific Theater 90 days after VE Day, whenever that might be (at Yalta...).This was one agreement that Stalin adhered to.
Thanks for your comments. I did find the life raft sequence tedious and the POW experience was too low-key. Maybe someone else will do the story right and get to his life after war. However, this guy lived a life worthy of a mini-series. I did not know that Bird was the other Olympian. It’s a shame that so many significant details were not brought out in the movie.
I read the book and saw the movie. It’s a fine movie, and makes no difference who directed it. Something tells me the criticism of the movie is mainly because of who directed it. I am no fan of Brad Pitt, the atheist little creep, but his wife is a good actress, who was brought up Christian and hopefully one day will return to the faith. In the book there is mention of Pappy Boyington, who was a POW in the same camp as Zamperini. I didn’t see this in the movie. I have always thought a movie about Colonel Boyington’s time as a POW would make a hell of a movie. If Zamperini was put through hell because of his notoriety as a track star, you can imagine the hell that Pappy Boyington went through for shooting down all those ZEROS! I read an interview by him a few years ago and he was asked about his time as a POW. He said it was not exactly a picnic but it probably added two years to his life. The interview said how was that possible. Pappy said “well hell it was two years I couldn’t drink”!!
The "Bird" as played by Takamasa Ishihara:
Thanks for the correction. I figured that would have been a very weird coincidence.
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