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How Could Gold Bugs Have Been So Wrong In 2014?
TMO ^ | 12-30-2014 | John_Rubino

Posted on 12/30/2014 11:33:06 AM PST by blam

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To: riverdawg

You can still buy gold for Roubles? I think that’s a deal at any price.


61 posted on 12/30/2014 3:02:51 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Gold and Silver are Real Money, Accept No Substitutes)
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To: The Duke
I hear that there is much more “paper gold” than physical gold

Sure, but with paper gold, there is a long and a short. So why does it matter?

and until that bubble bursts

What bubble?

physical gold will remain depressed.

Why won't it go down more?

62 posted on 12/30/2014 3:11:46 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: dware; Jeremiah Jr
Eventually our national debt and the end of the dollar as the international reserve currency will drive it back up.<<<

Been hearing this for a couple decades now, and it makes sense, but...that doesn't seem to matter...somehow the markets continue to be propped up, as previously mentioned, by the gubmint printing press. This can't last forever either, or can it? I mean, really...all conventional economic wisdom seems to be flying out the window.

The market is reminding me more and more of the images and psychology behind the jihadi executioner standing next to his strangely calm American victim (Sotloff).

The explanation [for passive captives who are about to be beheaded] was that they are trotted out and threatened repeatedly to the point of never knowing which day will be the "one", so the odds become "probably not today" and they just sit through the game. Then... surprise.

Easy to become non-reactive and detached after every probable meltdown based on sound reasoning nonetheless ends up as another "nevermind".

63 posted on 12/30/2014 3:17:37 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: sparklite2

You didn’t have to buy it back in the Hunt brothers days to pay $50 an oz.


64 posted on 12/30/2014 3:21:48 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (Obama voters are my enemy.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
if you were stranded on a deserted island never to be rescued which would you rather have a million dollars in gold or a million dollars in paper currency?

The one that burns and can be used as TP. Might as well go out in warmth and comfort...

65 posted on 12/30/2014 3:21:57 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

All well said FPC. Regarding #7. I don’t either. My PM’s held, (physically by myself), are for the sole purpose of converting some, not all, of it into the ‘next’, (whatever that next might be), currency to be established following the crash of the dollar. I pray I will never need to do that but according to a lot of the financial gurus, the collapse of the dollar is not to far off. If my PM’s are not ever needed for a conversion scenario.....well having a good amount stashed is still not a bad thing!


66 posted on 12/30/2014 3:37:02 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a great life!)
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To: Abathar
(What do you call oil speculators anyway, Lubers?)

Black gold bugs.

67 posted on 12/30/2014 4:02:14 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"Was it (gold) being manipulated on the way up? Is that why gold has tanked? The paper market couldn't drive it up forever? "

Markets are manipulated up and down by a variety of actors to make money. In retrospect common sense dictates that a basic commodity like crude oil does not lose half its value in a few months due to supply and demand. Demand hasn't suddenly halved and supply hasn't suddenly doubled. Something else was supporting that high price a few months ago. If it wasn't speculation, I'm open to other explanations.

Some gold advocates theorize that the TBTF banks are short physical and paper gold. Plus, since they are TBTF they can drive the paper market wherever they want it to go.

Others don't really care and look on such periods as these as buying opportunities.

68 posted on 12/30/2014 4:12:32 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Gold and Silver are Real Money, Accept No Substitutes)
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To: blam
They were all naive William Devane fans?

Maybe they thought he was John F. Kennedy.

Gold would have been a great investment in Russia, though.

69 posted on 12/30/2014 4:20:43 PM PST by x
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To: Former Proud Canadian
In retrospect common sense dictates that a basic commodity like crude oil does not lose half its value in a few months due to supply and demand.

Why not?

Demand hasn't suddenly halved and supply hasn't suddenly doubled.

Psychological factors aren't involved in demand? Supply isn't just supply today, but also expected supply in the future. Demand isn't just demand today, but expected demand in the future.

A 10% increase in supply doesn't mean a 10% drop in price.

Some gold advocates theorize that the TBTF banks are short physical and paper gold.

Why would they be? Why wouldn't they be long gold?

Plus, since they are TBTF they can drive the paper market wherever they want it to go.

The same way they could drive housing higher, so we'd never have a crash in 2008?

70 posted on 12/30/2014 4:29:37 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: artichokegrower

Nothing wrong with that but the thread is about gold.


71 posted on 12/30/2014 4:29:39 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
"Great question, but how does that matter?"

Because it illustrates exactly what both are truly worth.

Gold like paper currency only has value if a buyer and seller agree it does. It is a medium of exchange. It has no magically properties that make it valuable other than use in manufacturing.

If you are hungry and have no food but have gold you can't eat gold. So for the gold to be valuable you must find someone who has food and is willing to trade his food for your gold. If there is a growing shortage of food your gold's buying power becomes less and less until the food is depleted and then it's value reaches nil when trying to purchase food.

So bottom line gold is only worth what two parties agree it is worth when conducting a transaction that involves gold.

72 posted on 12/30/2014 4:36:14 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: jiggyboy; PA Engineer; blam; TigerLikesRooster; Cheap_Hessian; CJinVA; Jet Jaguar; ...

Goldbug ping.


73 posted on 12/30/2014 5:04:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Mish Shedlock and Ron Paul, for starters, and my cousin, who, even with little in the way of gold, seems to relish the idea of general economic catastrophe.


74 posted on 12/30/2014 5:24:40 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Sam Gamgee

When the government calculates inflation, they aim for a general measure of price movements and include price drops, such as those recently as to fuel costs. In any event, even critics of the official inflation index do not see significant inflation now underway.


75 posted on 12/30/2014 5:34:03 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: blam
Are the gold bugs really wrong in general about what's to come?

Buffett's $55 Billion Gamble is a Bet on U.S. Collapse, Warns CIA Economist
http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/rickards/55-billion-gamble.php


76 posted on 12/30/2014 6:37:39 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

Really? I was in the photo industry the entire time and remember silver dropping back down to $5-$7 per troy oz for the next twenty years, at least. When did it return to the levels of $50?


77 posted on 12/30/2014 7:31:30 PM PST by sparklite2
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To: sparklite2

End of April 2011, just a bit under $50

78 posted on 12/30/2014 7:42:14 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Cool, thanks. I retired before then and haven’t kept track. Funny it would do that, since silver-based photography was in the process of going away. You’d think the price would stay down.


79 posted on 12/30/2014 7:48:00 PM PST by sparklite2
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To: Former Proud Canadian
I always wondered this about "gold bugs."

Let's say that the economy really did collapse and paper money became worthless overnight.

Do these people really think that they can grab a gold bar out of their safe, head on over to the supermarket, load their carriage full of food and then slam a gold bar on the counter to pay for it?

How would they get their change?

80 posted on 12/30/2014 7:52:03 PM PST by SamAdams76
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