[Nachum]

Comin' for yer guns

[Nachum]

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[SamuraiScot]

Is there any basis in the USC for the existence of the ATF?

[Greysard]

In its first ruling of 2015, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has held that businesses may not allow individuals to use their equipment to further process incomplete firearm blanks, frames and receivers , attorney Joshua Prince reported Saturday.

Don't we have special people who are tasked with making laws? Why is an unelected bureaucrat telling free people what they can or cannot machine on their own equipment?

[OneWingedShark]

Hey, ATF: F— You and your blatantly contraconstitutional “ruling”.

Article. I.
Section. 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

[Ken H]

I wonder if this is more fallout from Raich, which expanded the Commerce Clause beyond what even the Ninth Circuit was willing to allow =>

Not long after the decision in Raich, the Court vacated a lower court decision in United States v. Stewart and remanded it to the court of appeals for reconsideration in light of Raich. In Stewart, the Ninth Circuit had held that Congress lacked the Commerce Clause power to criminalize the possession of homemade machine guns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

[2ndDivisionVet]

What would stop people from forming a coop and buying such machinery in common?

[jsanders2001]

> Comin’ for yer guns

Especially the ones that haven’t been manufactured yet so it seems.

[sport]

It is now only a matter of when.

[lapsus calami]

 

Another backdoor way of trying to put the crimp on at-home businesses run out of a garage or a shop out back is what this really is about. The up and coming 3D printing revolution is giving them the vapors so they're scrambling for an angle against that too.

 

 

Meanwhile, in Afghanistan -

 

 

[bunkerhill7]

Apparent Anti-American ATF position on equipment use threatens private gun-making which is how America got started in the first place=

viz

Mills for making gunpowder and manufactories for arms were set up in several of the colonies and great encouragement was offered for making saltpeter.” The History of the Origin, Progress, and Termination of the .American War,” Stedman, C. 1794, Volume 1, p.110

1775 “Preparations were now making in all the colonies for holding the general congress which was to meet at Philadelphia in the month of May. It has been before observed that the inhabitants of the middle and southern colonies began to arm themselves individually towards the end of the preceding year.” = Stedman,p.115

---------- " Jan 20, 1776

"that it lay for further consideration The Committee to draw a Plan for Providing fire arms for a Colony Stock Report as follows viz That for every good firearm Manufactured in this Colony made after the following manner viz a Barrell three feet nine Inches long to carry an ounce ball a good Bayonet with blade Eighteen inches long Iron ramrod with a Spring to retain the Same the makers name Engraved on the Lock which Shall be delivered at Exeter to Nicholas Gilmnn Esq receiver General on or before the first of May next the owner of Such firearms receive Three pounds for Each of said receiver General after having Tryed said gun in the Presence of the said receiver General. Such firearms receive Three pounds for Each of said receiver General after having Tryed said gun in the Presence of the said receiver General with four Inches & a half of Powder well wadded at his the owner's own Risque and that there be appointed one Good man well approved in Each County to receive any firearms so made in said County on the Same Condition as before mentioned for the rec General to receive them and the Persons so appointed to receive the money for the Number of Guns so Delivered" p15, "Provincial and State Papers, Volume 8 during the revolution 1776-1783" By New Hampshire ", Nathaniel Bouton

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citizens make gunpowder ingredients

"but the making of Salt Petre has made such rapid progress especially at Portsmouth where both clergy and Laity are employed six days in the week 8 the Seventh is seasoned with it." "Provincial and State Papers, Volume 8 during the revolution 1776-1783" By New Hampshire ", Nathaniel Bouton p26 taken from "the new hampshire gazette", Jan 9 1776, No.1001

viz 1777 Sept. "24th Weather delightful. 4 or 5 shot exchanged between our [British] foraging parties and the rebels about 9 this morning. Early this morning our pickets in the rear fired at some straggling rebels.

This township of Norrington is very rebellious. All the manufactures about this country seem to consist of Powder, Ball, Shot, firearms and swords.

The army halted this day."

1777 Nov. "6th ...Quarter Master General received orders to fix our Quarters near this city, intended for 10,000 men. Gun powder found lodged in Chimneys of this city by the rebels." [Philadelphia]

p.474, Montresor. "The Montresor Journals", Volume 14 By John Montrésor, James Gabriel Montrésor : Gideon Delaplaine Scull, ‎ - 1882

[Myrddin]

I suspect this is aimed at ARES Armor in San Diego. They sell unfinished, marked AR-15 receivers with no serial number. The don't need a form 4473. They have permitted purchasers to use their equipment to finish the receiver with the missing cuts/holes so that it can be made into a working receiver.

My local FFLs have finished receivers without the internal parts as cheap as $60. I may buy one just to have the fun of assembling a lower with my choice of components.

[Iron Munro]

“F Troop” is at it again.

[Pollster1]

BATFE needs to be eliminated. Those who work for BATFE should not be transferred to other government agencies; they should leave government “service” forever since they don’t understand the relationship between citizens and what is supposed to be our government.

[Rodamala]

If you ban Bridgeports, only the criminals will have Bridgeports.

[muir_redwoods]

What if I lease you my equipment under a lease-to-buy agreement with a lease term of 90 minutes. Since under that agreement the leasee has possession and a growing ownership claim, I’m no longer letting you use “my” equipment I don’t see how this rule applies.

Of course the obersturmbanfuhrers will simply issue another diktat.

[Azeem]

This should encourage more AK build parties. No milling required for the standard AKM or 74.