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To: Enlightened1

Fines? As in a criminal penalty? I assume this means “damages” not fines, and that the couple was found to be liable, not “guilty”. (If we are going to fight publicly for this couple, we need to get out legal terminology straight.)

At any rate, what an utter miscarriage of justice.


16 posted on 02/04/2015 1:37:04 PM PST by dinoparty
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dinoparty:
Fines? As in a criminal penalty? I assume this means “damages” not fines, and that the couple was found to be liable, not “guilty”. (If we are going to fight publicly for this couple, we need to get out legal terminology straight.)

At any rate, what an utter miscarriage of justice.

Hm, if it is fines, Oregon's own Constitution has this to say:

Art I, Section 16. Excessive bail and fines; cruel and unusual punishments; power of jury in criminal case.
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed. Cruel and unusual punishments shall not be inflicted, but all penalties shall be proportioned to the offense. — In all criminal cases whatever, the jury shall have the right to determine the law, and the facts under the direction of the Court as to the law, and the right of new trial, as in civil cases.

But more interestingly, this whole case seems rather suspect under the State's Constitution:

Art I, Section 2. Freedom of worship.
All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences.

Art I, Section 6. No religious test for witnesses or jurors.
No person shall be rendered incompetent as a witness, or juror in consequence of his opinions on matters of religeon [sic]; nor be questioned in any Court of Justice touching his religeous [sic] belief to affect the weight of his testimony.

Art I, Section 34. Slavery or involuntary servitude.
There shall be neither slavery, nor involuntary servitude in the State, otherwise than as a punishment for crime, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.

Keeping those in mind, maybe they ought to try a case of Deprivation of rights under color of law against the issuing court and the state agency.

31 posted on 02/04/2015 1:54:01 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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