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To: ctdonath2

Where did you obtain your statistic:

With no mass vaccination, measles has repeatedly killed (!) around 30% of identifiable populations throughout history. MILLIONS DIED.


I am not trying to weigh in as pro- or anti- vaccine. However, I don’t buy that stat.

I lived thru measles before their was a vaccine; I contracted them—a “good case” that did pose some complications, but no way was there a 30% mortality rate...in fact, parents wanted their elementary school aged children to contract them because contracting them as a child was so much easier than as an adult and fewer complications.

Wikipedia lists the mortality rate as follows:

Measles affects about 20 million people a year,[1] primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia.[3] It resulted in about 96,000 deaths in 2013 down from 545,000 deaths in 1990.[7] In 1980, the disease is estimated to have caused 2.6 million deaths per year.[3] Before immunization in the United States between three and four million cases occurred a year.[5] Most of those who are infected and who die are less than five years old.[3] The risk of death among those infected is usually 0.2%,[5] but may be up to 10% in those who have malnutrition.

VaxTruth.com says this:

....Also true, however, is that of those 3-4 million cases, only about 450 people died each year from it in the years before the vaccine.

I think facts are really important when discussing science. Can you please source your 30% mortality rate?


48 posted on 02/06/2015 10:39:47 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (Make 'em squeal!)
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To: bushwon

Apparently there are doctors willing to speak out on the ethics of mandatory compliance, “Health Impact News Editor Comments

Dr. Lee Hieb, writing for WND.com, joins the growing ranks of doctors speaking out against forced vaccinations and the current hysteria in the mainstream media. Dr. Lee Hieb is an orthopaedic surgeon specializing in spinal surgery. She is past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

Dr. Hieb’s voice is a voice of reason and common sense on the current vaccine debate. Contrast this with most of the mainstream media today, heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry, which are parading doctors into their shows calling for mandatory vaccines by force, and the removal of all licenses to practice for doctors who disagree with them.

Dr. Hieb correctly points out the logical conclusions to allowing government make medical decisions “for the good of society” by letting them inject chemicals into our body:

Medical ethics are clear: No one should be forced to undergo a medical treatment without informed consent and without their agreement to the treatment. We condemn the forced sterilization of the ’20s and ’30s, the Tuskegee medical experiments infecting black inmates and the Nazi medicine that included involuntary “Euthanasia,” experimentation and sterilization. How can we force vaccination without consent? Vaccination is a medical treatment with risks including death. It is totally antithetical to all ethics in medicine to mandate that risk to others.

If you think the government has the right to forcibly vaccinate people – for the good of society – what is to prevent them from forcibly sterilizing people, or forcibly euthanizing people, or forcibly implanting a tracking device – for the good of society? You make think those examples are extreme (although two-thirds have happened), but the principle is the same. You are allowing government to have ultimate authority over your body. (Source.)

Dr. Hieb does not stop with her discussion of the medical ethics and political implications of government forced vaccinations, she goes on to address two crucial issues that you are unlikely to hear in the mainstream media: Are vaccines safe, and are they effective?

Read the full article on WND.com.

- See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-lee-hieb-m-d-vaccine-hysteria-could-spark-totalitarian-nightmare/#sthash.hAVasyU6.dpuf


50 posted on 02/07/2015 8:20:51 AM PST by azkathy (OBAMA IS WEARING OUT MY CAPS LOCK!!!)
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