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To: Stayfrosty
You say Poroshenko owns chocolate factories in Russia? He did, before Russia took them away.

So how does that prove he is devious? He took a political stance that cost him his business?

I think the Ukranians want to be free of Russian interference, free to go there own way. I didn't see any talk of Ukraine joining Nato until after this mess began. Ukraine just wanted more economic ties to Europe. Putin is no saint either, he is the master of oligarchs in Russia and ruler of a gangster economy. It make me sick to see people sucking up to him.

You say that Russia doesn't want a war, but it doesn't stop them from throwing their weight around, in Georgia, threatening the Baltic states. They don't seem very peace loving to me.

2 posted on 02/09/2015 11:41:03 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: Dan Cooper

Dan, regarding Georgia—what do you expect Russia to do when NATO expands without consultation or veto powers in their former republics? Wouldn’t the US engage in similar activities if the Russian’s started building military bases in say, Mexico or the Bahamas? I’m trying to dispel this notion that the EU and NATO are worth starting WW3 over. Last I checked every time a US Soldier died in Afghanistan it was labeled a “NATO Soldier.” It is painfully obvious that the Socialists and the EU in general are looking for cheap labor and they are expanding their aims through eastern bloc countries. By supporting a coup in Ukraine and then expanding it into a conflict with Russia they hope to attract NATO military assistance which amounts to US involvement. You can support the Kiev government all day long—I’m just trying to offer a differing perspective and view point. I don’t think Putin is absent from criticism and from being labeled a criminal; but, I do think that our blind support for the ultra-left that has taken hold in Europe is not worth sending our women to fight for. Yes, our women. The US Military seems to think that putting our daughters and sisters on the front lines and in combat units is a great idea. That will be who we send to take on hardened Russian combat vets if war does break out. This arming of Ukraine is a serious escalation and I’m not so certain that the conservatives in this country have thought this out. President Obama has been in conflict with Russia since day one. Vladimir claims to be a reformed Christian and rejects the notion of state sanctioned homosexuality. Mr. Putin also has stayed steadfast in his support for Assad while we supported the rebels— I don’t think I need to bring up any more screw-ups with our foreign policy in both Libya and Syria as they now speak for themselves. I think if we support the Kiev Govt, we are overtly supporting leftist ideals in Europe and of course the US taxpayer and the US Military will be the tools to bail them out of a conflict with Russia.


5 posted on 02/09/2015 11:54:18 PM PST by Stayfrosty
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To: Dan Cooper

Cairo rolled out the red carpet for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was in Egypt Monday seeking to expand the Kremlin’s influence in the Middle East by cultivating a critical Arab nation that’s gotten the cold shoulder from the Obama administration.

Egyptian President Abdel Fatah Al-Sisi, the former military leader who ousted the White House’s favored incumbent Mohammed Morsi, has recently called on Muslim moderates to reclaim the faith from radical Islamists. But his call for an end to extremism has not helped cultivate a relationship with Washington, and that may have created a void Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to fill.

“I am convinced that a multi-faceted dialogue between Russia and Egypt will continue to deepen and expand for the benefit of the peoples of our countries, for the sake of peace and stability in the Middle East and North Africa,” Putin told Egypt’s Al Ahram newspaper in an interview this weekend at the Kremlin ahead of his first visit to Egypt in a decade.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/09/putin-visits-cairo-amid-ongoing-chill-in-us-egypt-relations/?intcmp=latestnews


8 posted on 02/10/2015 12:15:13 AM PST by Stayfrosty
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To: Dan Cooper

To avoid repeating myself, my own vanity:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3170217/posts


15 posted on 02/10/2015 5:08:03 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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