Posted on 02/10/2015 3:39:58 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
With the planet facing potentially severe impacts from global warming in coming decades, a government-sponsored scientific panel on Tuesday called for more research on geoengineering technologies to deliberately intervene in nature to counter climate change.
In two widely anticipated reports, the panel which was supported by NASA and other federal agencies, including what the reports described as the U.S. intelligence community noted that drastically reducing emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases was by far the best way to mitigate the effects of a warming planet.
But the panel, in making the case for more research into geoengineering, said, It may be prudent to examine additional options for limiting the risks from climate change.
Geoengineering options generally fall into two categories: capturing and storing some of the carbon dioxide that has already been emitted so that the atmosphere traps less heat, or reflecting more sunlight away from the earth so there is less heat to start with. The panel issued separate reports on each.
The panel said that while the first option, called carbon dioxide removal, was relatively low risk, it was expensive, and even if it were pursued on a planetwide scale, it would take many decades to have a significant impact on the climate. But the group said research was needed to develop efficient and effective methods to both remove the gas and store it so it remains out of the atmosphere indefinitely.
The second option, called solar radiation management, is far more controversial. Most discussions of the concept focus on the idea of dispersing sulfates or other chemicals high in the atmosphere where they would reflect sunlight, in some ways mimicking the effect of a large volcanic eruption.
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Well I guess it makes sense, one group of idiots asking another group of idiots that really don’t understand how the earth works to screw with it on a global scale. My feeling is that after these idiots have successfully terraformed an unpopulated planet then they can talk about messing with the one that has people on it.
Back in the late seventies when the earth was warming and we were all going to die, the experts had the bright idea to spread coal dust or maybe it was oil all over the icepack in the arctic to absorb the sun’s rays.
I’m glad that never got done.
Hopefully these new ideas won’t happen either, so when we are freezing our butts off 40 years from now we can say “Boy, I’m glad they never....”
“...reflecting more sunlight away from the earth...
...dispersing sulfates or other chemicals high in the atmosphere...
...would reflect sunlight, mimicking a large volcanic eruption...”
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What could possibly go wrong?
You don’t understand. They would only use good chemicals. Not those nasty bad chemicals.
Yeah, that’ll REALLY screw things up. The inmates are running the asylum.
There was a time B.C. (before crazy) when geoengineering meant designing/constructing a good earthen embankment with proper drainage or road subgrade. This ‘panel’ is nothing but a group of lunatics.
How these physical cycles affect climate is extremely complex, but that they do is indisputable and accepted by real science. "Global Warming" on the other hand is un-scientific, often hysterical, and largely Left-Wing political in nature, and completely at odds with observable data.
But, real science is quite at a loss in dealing with emotional argument about imagined horrors. What we are living through is a re-play of Lysenkoism ... the nightmare of completely false science that Stalin forced the Soviets to accept upon pain of banishment to Siberia and death. Not so different today. Nowadays, those who do not toe the line on the official climate story will be banished from politics and academia.
One of the most attractive remedies would be to fertilize key regions in the ocean with iron and other minerals that spur the growth of algae and the sequestering of carbon in stable mineral and organic forms that fall to the ocean floor. Limited experiments have shown promising results, but the Left and the climate warming lobby have for years blocked every ocean followup ocean fertilization research proposal.
Just remove the scrubbers folks. Cheap coal fired energy and plenty of sulfates to stop global warming. Problems solved. I’ll be looking for my government grant check in the mail.
solar radiation management?
JAAAA!!!
ChemTrails!!
JAAA!!
Breathe
relax
Dream..
Good news....so at least they will be able to put it in reverse when the Sun stops making sunspots.....
...and another ice age kicks in.
“that spur the growth of algae”
I think some guy did that privately out in the Pacific to create a feeding zone. Then later he would go net the increased population of fish.
Sounds reasonable, but I would want a lot of studying on it. It might end up like so many ponds in residental areas that get chocked with algae due to all of the fertilizer run-off.
Heh. I wonder if anybody had gotten a government grant yet to study Kudzu growth rates vs. CO2 over time.
By the way, the huge increases in CO2 that we have seen do not correlate at all to the global temperatures. Which makes sense, seeing as CO2 provides very little “greenhouse gas” effect to the atmosphere. Something on the order of 0.5%. The majority of the “greenhouse gas effect” is due to water vapor. With 99+% of water vapor being natural.
Every now and then, a global warming alarmist admits that success with ocean fertilization would divert funding and political force from their preferred solutions of comprehensive and intrusive regulation and vast alternative energy projects. The green global warming agenda is thus revealed as being at heart a retooled form of Marxian scientific socialism and a way to put the green alliance of nerds, ideologues, and thuggish con men in charge of much of the world's people and resources.
The problem with the opposing per cent of metric is that it is more a factoid than a credible counter argument. After all, the per cent is cumulative, with atmospheric CO2 at historically high levels and continuing to escalate like a bad debt. On a systemic basis, marginal changes matter even if, as in this instance, how and how much they matter is fraught with uncertainties.
Consider, for example, the effects on a person of gradually adding or withdrawing a few percent every day of normal water intake. The result would soon be death from water excess or from dehydration, but the precise manifestations and schedule of decline cannot be predicted in advance.
In fairness to the global warming case, it urges that as high carbon dioxide levels persist and continue to rise, feedback loops and other reinforcing mechanisms take hold and climate equilibria are overwhelmed. And it is said that by the time such effects are fully manifest, they will be gravely damaging and irreversible except on multigenerational time scales.
This cannot be fully disproved any more than parents can easily convince a four year old fearful of monsters that it is safe to go to bed and get to sleep as they are told to. After all, there might be a monster or two lurking. A check under the bed and in the closet and leaving a night light on usually suffices for the fears of a four year old.
For global warming alarmists, whose fears are at least plausible in concept, ocean fertilization may have a similar reassuring effect. And, as you indicate, there is also some reason to think that it might improve ocean fisheries. But that is a discussion for another time.
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