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General Staff gave the soldiers a Debaltseve destroy all machinery and exit paths
UAPress ^ | 2-17-2015 | Elena Yarmolyuk

Posted on 02/17/2015 1:48:50 PM PST by tcrlaf

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Not to fear. General Poroshenko will save them.


21 posted on 02/17/2015 5:22:53 PM PST by McGruff (We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq - Barack Obama 2011)
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“Not to fear. General Poroshenko will save them”

Isn’t that Star Fleet Admiral Poroshenko, from Star Trek?


22 posted on 02/17/2015 5:28:52 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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“Interesting photos of Debaltseve war zone”

These are pics of the Kiev Relief Column that was “Crushed” (Kiev’s words) this morning, north of Logivino. Walked straight into an artillery fire trap, then their own minefields.

Pretty gruesome. Entire column was wiped out. Rebels say 70-80 killed.

All kinds of Russian Media has been out there filming today.


23 posted on 02/17/2015 5:33:46 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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“South Front”’s Daily Novorossiya Military report for 2/17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZYkusVJGD0#t=128


24 posted on 02/17/2015 6:11:18 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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Interesting that Kiev denied they were surrounded....and yet here they had to finally surrender. I have to give Poroshenko credit for letting these troops surrender finally. Reports I heard were their casualities were so great Ukraines troops did not want to go there to relieve them because they just believed they would be going to their death.

So yes it was gruesome....sadly that is the part of war most here in the US do not see. And even though I look at so many photos of death from Ukraines war and their violent Revelution itself...you never get use to it. It bares hard on the heart.


25 posted on 02/18/2015 12:29:02 AM PST by caww
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Sending these young inexperienced soldiers down and open road, in broad daylight, knowing they would come under arty fire, rocket fire, and tank fire, was a criminal act. All the while being observed by Russian drones.

More than one Ukrainian General should swing by his neck for this.

26 posted on 02/18/2015 5:29:03 AM PST by donozark (On the other side of fear lies freedom)
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...”More than one Ukrainian General should swing by his neck for this”....

Instead look what Kiev’s doing....Ukraine Gen. Staff to put 40th Batt. (Krivbass) to military. tribunal for failing to obey orders, withdrawing & sabotage of Debaltsevo defence

Poroshenko is the problem, and he’s following Bo’s lead ...they were told to Hold”...when in fact they’d been fighting for five days without food and little water...surrounded and their men dying like flies.

I’ve been reading some of the soldiers reports....it’s beyond horrible what they put those men thru....


27 posted on 02/18/2015 3:33:39 PM PST by caww
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I don't think Poroshenko specifically ordered certain units to walk down open roads. Insanity. The entire operation to defend Debaltseve was the culmination of betrayal, espionage, sedition, incompetence, lunacy, inexperience, ineptness, and outright stupidity. Enough blame to go around.

If one is to declare a city a "Festung," then one must have sufficient military means to back it up. Ukraine did not. And does not.

I do not blame the individual soldier. Only the higher ups. Time to change strategy guys. Permitting one's army to be repeatedly surrounded, cutoff, and having the shit pounded out of them by 203MM SP Guns is the height of insanity!

28 posted on 02/19/2015 6:42:43 AM PST by donozark (On the other side of fear lies freedom)
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....”I do not blame the individual soldier. Only the higher ups. Time to change strategy guys. Permitting one’s army to be repeatedly surrounded, cutoff, and having the shit pounded out of them by 203MM SP Guns is the height of insanity!”....

I don’t blame the Ukraine solders either. And it’s pretty interesting RUssia is offering soldiers who refuse to fight in these insane battles to go there. While Kiev passes a new law to shoot them if they leave the battle or refuse to fight.

What Insanity is that!


29 posted on 02/19/2015 12:16:39 PM PST by caww
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